How do you solve it?
(Fox News) As more states begin providing illegal immigrants and their children with driver’s licenses and ID cards, officials are concerned some also are registering to vote — some by mistake, and others on purpose.
The problem came to light recently in North Carolina, which compared its voter rolls against a federal immigration database. The cross-check of 10,000 voters found 1,425 likely non-citizen voters, including 109 illegal immigrants or so-called “Dreamers.” Almost 10 percent registered to vote when getting their driver’s license. But election officials say the problem is nationwide.
“In terms of a check and balance that would prevent an individual who is a non U.S. citizen from registering to vote, that doesn’t exist. There’s absolutely nothing stopping them,” said Neal Kelley, Orange County registrar of voters and chairman of the California Association of Election Officials.
The problem, officials say, dates back to the 1993 federal Motor Voter Act, which requires states to offer residents the ability to register to vote when they obtain a driver’s license or ID card. In some states, the driver’s license and voter registration application are on the same form, and the applicant simply signs. In small print, the form says applicants acknowledge they are U.S. citizens. In other states, voter registration is a separate form and applicants check a box. In either case, once signed, the forms are automatically sent to the county or state registrar of voters, and the name is added to voter rolls.
In most states, they do not check citizenship. Here in North Carolina, those who were given DACA “amnesty” by Mr. Obama receive a license which says “legal presence no lawful status”. But, the requirement to show ID at the polls doesn’t start till 2016. But, will poll workers, meaning Democrats, ignore that they aren’t legally allowed to vote? Other states do not have any terminology to distinguish lawful status.
Here’s another issue that is not mentioned: what about those who do have lawful status, visitors, legal residents, those going through the citizenship process, etc, who obtain DLs but are not legally allowed to vote since they are not actual citizens? The Motor Voter Law makes for an interesting conundrum. If the coming GOP controlled Senate, to go with the GOP controlled House, pass a law requiring citizenship checks at the DMV, Democrats will say this is an “unfunded mandate”, and wastes the time of DMV employees. Even though the original law does exactly the same. Perhaps the GOP controlled states will pass requirements. And, surely the Obama controlled DOJ will immediately sue.
“They’re asked to check a box that they’re a U.S. citizen, but that’s not good enough,” said Kris Kobach, Kansas secretary of state. “We have so many aliens on our voter rolls who check that box — either because they’re trying to break the law or because they didn’t know exactly what they were doing.”
I’m sure many really do not know what they are doing when they fill out the voter registration form. Many probably think they are supposed to do it, because they are given the form. Many probably can’t even read it.
The ACLU claims the federal immigration database isn’t perfect and could disenfranchise voters.
And the ACLU really offers no ideas to fix this other than “stop checking”, which means legal US citizens have their votes essentially disenfranchised as they are offset by those of the illegals. One would think the ACLU would care about this. In fact, they’re pretty much dead set against voter ID.
Under the National Voter Registration Act, states are required to remove from their registration lists ineligible voters. But U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder refuses to enforce the statute. Not a single such lawsuit has been filed since the beginning of the Obama administration, according to author John Fund.
“This is such a huge problem,” Kobach said. “And once the aliens get on the voter rolls, solutions don’t solve the problem. If you want to work with the federal government, they’re going to make you jump through a whole bunch of hoops.”
Democrats, who caterwaul and shriek when they lose elections (they still whine about Election 2000) about voter fraud, are dead set against any requirements that make sure that people who are not legally allowed to vote are stopped from doing so. Makes you wonder why.
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We get it. Republicans are trying to make it harder for “casual” voters to vote because they vote for Democrats. The last thing a minority movement like the Republicans want is democracy.
What is less understandable is why you must lie if you feel your argument has merit.
Just say it: We don’t think the votes of less politically engaged Blacks, Hispanics and the impoverished are as important as the votes of the wealthy and middle-class whites. We are concerned with the changing demographics and are compelled to consolidate our hold on power NOW before it is too late. We can do this by quirks in our state election laws that allow us to redistrict away representation of “the other” and by enacting state laws limiting the franchise of “the other”. We further recognize that we can likely win a national election only by either changing our policy direction, lying about our policy direction or by fraud.
We don’t know why you must lie. It is something that has been asked before and you have not answered.
The fact of the matter is that those who want people to be able to legally vote have not engaged in any sort of reasoning other than a person who is legally able to vote should be able to vote and an person who is not able to vote should not as it cancels out a legal right of another.
Liberals and democrats, on the other hand, are caught with their hands in the illegal voting cookie jar all the time and claim their illegal actions are because of the legal actions of others.
So maybe you can explain why you and those who seek to admit illegal and fraudulent votes do so? Why are you for supporting those who lie when they claim they can legally vote, but cannot?
So your definition of an illegal voter is a “casual voter”? If you were really concerned with democracy, you’d be for the integrity of the voting system and stopping people who are not legally entitled to vote from voting. Since you are dead set against taking steps to stop it, we can only assume that you are approve of illegal votes, as long as they help your side.
As for minority, we’re about to keep the House and take the Senate.
As for minority, we’re about to keep the House and take the Senate.
My point exactly! Republicans are ruthlessly efficient. They are a national minority but will soon control the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court. We have been steadily weakened as a nation since the early 80s as we’ve adopted minority conservative policies. Once you figure out how to steal the Presidency, the coup will be complete. Kudos!
As you keep the poor, poor and unemployment high, you serve your corporate masters, enslaving the masses, with you chamberlains getting a few more scraps than the dirty poor.
There is no evidence that illegal votes are a problem. The is no evidence that requiring photo IDs and proof of citizenship does much more than suppress voters.
We get it. You’ve won. You own the Supreme Court! You have the House for decades to come. You will soon control the Senate. You control most statehouses. You can continue to build the conservative dream nation of lords, chamberlains and serfs.
Wow, now I know delusion has no limits.
You are one confused SOB
Well, the Democrats and liberals that have been convicted of voter fraud would disagree with you, but hey, what is truth to you ?
However, if illegal votes are not a problem, then what is your opposition to requiring ID’s to vote?
There is NO evidence that requiring an ID suppresses votes. NONE. So it seems that you are arguing that while requiring an id makes sure the election is legal and fair, you support the idea that elections should have illegal votes it them.
As usual, you make no sense at all.
You poor dear.
Your brain, such as it is, is a fetid swamp of illogical contradictions, diagnostic of right-wing authoritarianism. Because you have built an internal worldview independent of evidence, constructed false brick after false brick, you have to have these flights of fancy to keep your rickety edifice from collapsing. These dogmatic falsehoods are the baling wire and duct tape holding your house up.
“The reason Democrats garnered more overall votes for the House races in 2012 is not because the Republicans are a minority, it’s because Mexicans voted.”
“The Earth is not warming because of CO2 added to the atmosphere, it’s a conspiracy between the communists, the scientific community, and national governments to take the money of white Americans.”
We get it. You guys don’t want Dem voters to vote, so you have cleverly made voter fraud a topic – catching one fraudulent voter for every 10,000 voters you keep from the polls. I’ve already congratulated you on your victory. You can continue to build the America you crave.
Is obtaining a birth certificate without cost of money and effort? And if an American has to obtain one to obtain their voting permission slip from the Republicans, isn’t that a barrier to voting? Doesn’t the hundreds of thousands of Americans who will not vote because of this, seem like a worse outcome than the 10 fraudulent voters that (according to the highly-touted ODU study) you won’t stop? Oh. The suppressed voters are mostly old, poor and minorities who tend to vote more for Democrats. Never mind.
Oh, and is atmospheric CO2 steadily increasing?
There is no evidence that illegal votes are a problem.
Except for all the votes cast illegally. If someone who is not eligible to vote cancels your vote, is that a problem? If an illegal vote causes your candidate to lose, is that a problem?
If an illegal vote causes you to lose lots of money, is that a problem?
So let’s see, you deny the fact that you lied that your own source never says the study was debunked.
You never addressed the issue of illegal votes canceling legally cast votes.
You never addressed your opposition to making sure votes are legally cast.
You never addressed why you support votes that are illegally cast.
And then you say we are ignoring evidence?
That’s funny.
Guys, after reading Jeff’s comments, I am afraid he is one sick puppy. He really does need some help.
J-“there is no evidence requiring ID does much more that suppress voters…” Really? then where’s your evidence it suppresses voters? Black voting rates have been steadily rising. Actually, voter ID suppresses fraudulent voters. That’s a good thing. But here’s a question for you, J- If liberals think it’s ok to require some sort of check to purchase a fire arm, which in all cases would at the least require you to prove you are who you say you are, then why not voting? The Second amendment is a right, yet liberals at the least expect some form of identification to buy a firearm. Voting is a right, so why the hypocrisy? Good luck.
j,
Thanks for the good wishes. The Supreme Court has repeatedly supported limits on our right to bear arms. Sawed-off shotguns, machine guns, rocket launchers are tightly regulated.
Our right to arms was added to the Constitution as an Amendment (not even the 1st Amendment) while the right to vote is the cornerstone of a democracy.
You can have a democracy without guns but you cannot have a democracy without votes and voters. Yet, the Constitution doesn’t explicitly state our right to vote! But then nor does it describe our right to breathe.
That said, individual states decide the qualifications of voters. As long as the Supreme Court rules that the restrictions are Constitutional, the restrictions are Constitutional!
In general, conservatives seek to enact barriers to voting, based on the notion that more “casual” voters (the poor, the young) are more likely to vote for Democrats. So conservative state legislatures enact laws to limit voting times (poor people have a harder time getting off work), restrict felons from voting (Blacks overrepresented in prisons), limit college student voting (preferring that a kid at Texas A&M return to Charlotte NC on Tuesday to vote), and erecting onerous barriers to obtaining ID (if you don’t have a Birth Certificate and need one for your Republican permission slip to vote, it’s a pain in the ass).
Votes don’t kill people, guns kill people.
If you can come up with a way to get every legal voter an ID, I’m for it.
Do you agree with me that the vote of a homeless Black man in New York City is as important as yours?