I wonder where the money will come from?
(UK Independent) Scientists and economists have joined forces to launch a global research initiative to make green energy cheaper than coal within 10 years, a target they believe is critical to avoid dangerous climate change. They have compared the goal to the Apollo programme of the 1960s when the United States stated that it would put a man on the Moon by the end of the decade.
Even though they are doing this for a fake reason based on junk scie
nce, I’d be fore eliminating the need for coal.
Leading academics, including former government chief scientist Sir David King, past president of the Royal Society Lord Rees, and economists Lord Stern and Lord Layard, in effect said that the world cannot be saved from global warming unless coal – the dirtiest fossil fuel – is put out of business.
They have called the plan the Global Apollo Programme and hope to recruit countries from around the world in an international commitment to boost research and development into key areas of renewable energy, storage and electricity transmission.
So, they want to use Other People’s money, not their own. Anyone shocked?
It states that there is a “shocking underspend†on global research and development aimed at renewable energy – amounting to just 2 per of total global public funding on research. This needs to be boosted from $6bn (£4bn) a year to at least $15bn a year, the report says.
On has to wonder why they don’t pay for it themselves? Why do Other People have to pay for their belief sets? Oh, right, because this initiative will put money in their own pockets from government.
One also has to wonder if these folks have given up their own use of fossil fuels
There’s serious money to be made from this artificial problem that can never be solved. And as an added benefit, they get to dictate how other people live.
No wonder the left loves this.
Im all for green energy. I would not be sad at the passing of coal. Im all for a clean and healthy planet. Just CO2 is not a pollutant nor is it unhealthy for the planet.
Every plan by the left always calls for other peoples money. LOLOL…just like Ive said…they have made an industry trying to figure out new and inventive ways to spend conservatives money.
Conservatives DO seem to enjoy spending money on war, not so much on anything else.
Why do you always want to spend MY money on stuff I don’t think I need or want?
Teach “these people” mostly want a deep cut in fossil fuels beginning with coal the dirtiest. As for your new found distaste for coal we would not have to go too far into the past to see where you were having a hissy fit over the people who were stopping the construction of new coal power plants.
Windpower is already cost comparable to coal. Solar prices are dropping every year.
Koch Industries owns the GOP
Some conservatives now say they’d like to see coal phased out, even though global coal reserves are sufficient to fuel the Earth for a century. Should we do anything to phase coal out or just be pleased when we mine and burn it all?
If you decide to phase it out before it runs out, how would you do it? Restrict its use by fiat? Enact a tax on coal? Hope that the industry will voluntarily stop burning coal?
Is there a direct economic reason to reduce coal use? If not, why would you want to limit its use?
I won’t presume to speak for Teach but I can say the following about Coal.
Our vast untapped natural gas reserves have only been recently inventoried to reveal that astounding amount of gas available to the public.
In fact..Today, natural gas is a vital component of the world’s supply of energy. Natural gas currently supplies more than one-half of the energy consumed by residential and commercial customers, and about 41 percent of the energy used by U.S. industry. It is one of the cleanest, safest, and most useful of all energy sources.
Ninety-nine percent of the natural gas used in the United States comes from North America. Because natural gas is the cleanest burning fossil fuel, it is playing an increasing role in helping to attain national goals of a cleaner environment, energy security and a more competitive economy. The two million-mile underground natural gas delivery system has an outstanding safety record.
As we have recently come to inventory the largest deposits of Natural gas on the planet in the United States its obvious to everyone that Coal’s usefulness is quite limited and reaching the end of its shelf life.
The problem my Komrades seem to be having a hard time fathoming is that your Fellow Communist buddies in China and Russia are the ones responsible for dirtying the planet….NOT the USA.
And what has Obama been doing. Spending money on the middle east.
Why?
Because its necessary. There are not that many people arguing for another invasion of the middle east to stop ISIS.
What we are arguing for is leadership. Muslims in the middle east want to know that we have their backs and like the Egyptian General on Egyptian tv exclaims when he sees the clip of Obama saying the greatest national threat facing the world today is climate change.
IS HE INSANE!
But everyone knows that our esteemed Komrades WANT the middle east to burn because all progressives HATE JEWS….They are every bit as racist as any angry old white man. They hate Muslim women and children and actually enjoy seeing them raped and beheaded….They loved when millions died of starvation in Darfur as we lifted not a hand to help them out…They were livid that Clinton went to Bosnia to help out there.
Why? Because progressives want the middle east to burn, they want the jews destroyed. They seem to hate every race of people that are not black or hispanic. Angry white people…on their hit list. Jews. On their hit list. Muslims. On their hit list.
Nazis? Yeah I think we have found where all those Nazis ran to after ww2.
And an FYI before you go claiming Nazis are conservatives you might want to read up on politics in Europe and the Nazi movement before you go spouting that stupid chit again.
Leadership is what the American people want…well at least those who dont address each other as Komrade……Not an invasion of the Middle east again.
Utter nonsense (N.B. – 97% of your ramblings are utter nonsense, invective and projection). China may be DIRTYING the planet now (after all they have some 16% of the population), but the Western economies (US and Europe – which includes Russia’s economy) did most of the dirtying until China’s and India’s rise.
The West’s meddling in the middle east has rarely helped. The US and Britain overthrew Iran’s popular and democratically elected Mossadegh in 1953 and installed a thug tyrant to secure the Iranian oilfields for the West. The US trained the Shah’s henchmen, SAVAK. From a recently declassified CIA document the coup d’état was engineered to secure: “cheap oil for Britain and high profits for the company (Anglo-Iranian Oil Company)”.
The Cold War resulted in the US supporting thug tyrants (cough – Saudis – cough) throughout the region, so long as they bought their military materiels from US manufacturers and not the Russians. Remember, we were for Saddam before we were against him. Our objectives were (1) stability for “our” oil supplies, (2) a market for our weapons and (3) Soviet containment.
Since Black Gold was discovered in the middle east in 1908 it has been the driving force for most of the triumph and turmoil there. And the West has been involved both behind the scenes and up front.
The world has about a century’s worth of oil, a century of coal and a century of gas. If we burn it all the Earth will warm over 10C (more likely 15C). The economic forces aligned to keep us burning fossil fuels are massive and powerful – not just the most obvious – the energy companies and their politicians, but all the Middle East nations and other net exporters, military equipment manufacturers who thrive on Middle East turmoil, auto manufacturers, appliance manufacturers and on and on.
Frankly, the Deniers, most of whom are reasonable but have financial stakes in the status quo, hold most of the cards and will mostly be able to delay or even block any progress.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” — Upton Sinclair
One thing that remains a constant in progressive thought is how evil the USA is….as China destroys the atmosphere with coal to the point that you cant even see in their cities…it is of course the USA and Europes fault….thats because the USA and EUROPE can be bullied by the environazis where China and India cannot…..another sure sign AGW is about destroying Capitalism not healing the planet.
I would surmise this goes back to the Russian KGB station chief who after defecting told Dick Cavit during an interview that in order to defeat the USA and capitalism it was necessary to take away any push back.
Push back as in making a mockery of
1. Religion….progressives…check.
2. Nationalism….progressives…check
3. Turn the nation into debauchery….progressives and their gay/lesbian/porno movement…check.
4. Destroy Capitalism…..progressive….global warming….check.
Take away Religion and Nationalism, Debauch the country and destroy capitalism was the stated goal as portrayed by this defecting high ranking KGB official….The progressives have taken to heart their Comrades Teachings.
Remember one thing…Progressive Democrats are NOT YOUR DADDY’s Party. They do not represent your daddies party and they have no interest other then to enslave this country and every other country in the world.
A lie told often enough becomes the truth…..Vladimir Lenin.
Give me 4 years with your children and I will make them Communists(Bolsheviks) forever. Vladimir Lenin.
Religion is a big lie…..Joseph Stalin.
The paranoia of the far-right is a sight to behold. Liberals are CommunoNazis whose only interest is enslavement of all others.
Religion IS a big lie. But in the US we give religion a wide berth and special privileges. Christian conservatives see themselves as perennial victims of discrimination anytime others don’t abide by their beliefs.
You consider gays and lesbians to be debauched, while decent folk just consider them people. Does your hatred of homosexuals stem from your religion?
You favor nationalism? So did the Nazis and the Communists.
Capitalism is largely responsible for the great expansion of wealth, and improvements in quality of life, but unfettered capitalism leads to monopoly and a concentration of power and wealth, therefore it makes sense to regulate, but not destroy it. Crony capitalism as currently practiced in the US funnels wealth away from the working classes and rewards the wealthy, including CommunoNazis like Gates and Buffett. Tax, labor, immigration, trade, fiscal and Fed policies are all designed to this end.
Communists hate capitalism.
They just do. It is their goal to end capitalism. This has even been announced by People of position within the IPCC. Yet paid agents always peruse the internet looking to ridicule anyone who can see thru the communist agenda.
No matter how much a progressive talks it always comes back to How Capitalism Sucks….and is flawed and can be fixed if only you follow the communist perscription for doing so. Their perscription is quite simple….let the government control. Legislate and regulate until the so called capitalist system is nothing more then a Fascist state, where economy is dictated by the government.
Its been proven to fail over and over and over again and even with a war on poverty the poor are still poor and yet this is because poverty is the lefts drug of choice..KEEP THEM POOR. Oh they will howl at the moon when you point this out.
But in the end a progressive is nothing but a pseudo communist/fascist who hates, loathes and despises, Muslims, White People, Capitalism, Nationalism, Religion and if you even mention gays or lesbians in a sentence then of course your a religious zealot who hates them, and its your religion that makes you do so.
If you mention nationalism your a NAZI Fasicist….right out of the Communist doctrine book of not allowing any push back such as religion, Nationalism or faith in your economic system.
Progressive communists have the speech down to a science. Any mention of those words in any post leads automatically to a hate filled rant against conservatives, religion, Nationalism and Capitalism….they cant help themselves….Its why they reject fighting ISIS…they know that those evil jews will be getting theirs soon.
But remember folks……Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.
Joseph Stalin
Any Idea on the right must be destroyed. Why would a progressive let the right have any ideas without attempting to destroy them?
LOL. So anyone who criticizes your increasingly unhinged rants is a communist paid to stalk and ridicule you.
Most “ideas” from the right are bad, so of course they are criticized. But progressives aren’t preventing rightists from having or expressing their ideas, they’re just ridiculing them as tripe. Maybe you need better ideas.
Carbon cap and trade was a good idea from the right, but the right was for it before they were against it.
The right controls the House, Senate and Supreme Court, and most state houses too. They should be able to push through all kinds of great ideas. Are they afraid some liberal will criticize them?
Astro-turfing
An artificially-manufactured political movement designed to give the appearance of grass roots activism.
Campaigns & Elections magazine defined astroturf as a “grassroots program that involves the instant manufacturing of public support for a point of view in which either uninformed activists are recruited or means of deception are used to recruit them.â€
Like the Wall Street sit in. The 15 dollar per hour marches. All of these black lives matter marches. The AGW movement. And rampant on the internet is a whole host of paid operatives whose sole function is to comment on blog sites like this one.
Unlike natural grassroots campaigns which are people-rich and money-poor, an astroturf campaign tends to be the opposiite, well-funded but with little actual support from voters.
The AGW movement is a well financed movement that appears to have great support but of course polling shows actual support at around 11 percent. Yet everywhere you find people willing to spend endless hours on a website ridiculing anything said by Anti-AGW people.
A grassroots movement? Hardly its been around since Lloyd Benson first complained about it in the mid 80’s. Its not a new concept and both sides of the ISLE engage in it. But the AGW movement is especially well funded with a whole host of billionaires and multi-millionaires standing to gain untold riches with the proper REGULATIONS AND LEGISLATION passed.
Print is the sharpest and the strongest weapon of our party.
Joseph Stalin
Yes the left has learned the value of the blogs and the internet….their comrades keep them informed and well oiled to do their bidding.
Remember everyone that a Saul Alinsky trained commie is nothing but a community agitator or in this case a website agitator whose sole function is to troll and ridicule any idea put forth by the right in every effort to sow doubt and turmoil in the ranks of the opposition. This is how Obama won two elections…..the mans an incompetent fool but he knows how to rally the troops to persuade the people he actually has a clue….never underestimate the power of Astro-turfing in Politics.
Never.
Poor Liam,
As Arthur Goldwag wrote: “America is becoming more multicultural, more gay-friendly and more feminist every day. But as every hunter knows, a wounded quarry is most dangerous. Even as the white, patriarchal Christian hegemony declines, its backlash politics becomes more vicious”.
Every opponent is a Communist or a Nazi or a child molester or a paid assassin.
“Conspiracists are people who feel threatened – in their pocketbooks, their status, or both. Conspiracy theories explain what is happening to them and why, assigning blame to an adversary who is consciously and deliberately carrying out an evil intention”.
We get it. As the far-right bigots and sociopaths feel their hold on power slipping, they become more and more desperate.
As Saul Alinsky Wrote:
* RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.†Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
* RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.†There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)
I speak the truth. Im not ridiculing progressives. I am saying they have a serious agenda and their agenda is to defeat capitalism and to replace it with fascist communism. There is no ridicule intended, implied or otherwise injected in discussions.
However the paid operatives on the internet have to resort to Saul Alinsky tactics to ridicule and shame and to misdirect and force the other side to debate pointless stuff.
Astro Turfing progressives are very good at this. (It his how Obama won two terms and it is how Hillary hopes to win in 2016.) I would hope that those reading my “Ramblings” are starting to get a feel for what certain progressives do with each post. Not only here but across the internet as they seek to sow confusion and incite ridicule.
Ridicule is infuriating…..but it can also be used as a weapon. As the biggot continues to speak I will continue to educate on how the progressive left uses Saul Alinsky and Cloward and Piven strategies. How they are trained and most likely paid to troll conservative websites with their strategy of ridicule and misdirection.
Again the AGW movement has about 11 percent of serious respondents vote of confidence but with the 1000’s of paid operatives from a dozen billionaires and pacs who stand to gain a great deal from AGW witchery they want everyone to believe that they have 98 percent approval.
They are astro turfing the world. And when they cant find a valid argument they simply return to
1. The right are racists.
2. the right are bigots.
3. The right are Homophobes.
4. The right are angry white men.
5. The right are whacko Christians.
6. the right are conspiracy whackos.
In other words….right out of Saul Alinsky play book…..blind side them and force them to address other spurious arguments that have no bearing on the task at hand. So they misdirect because they have no serious arguments other then C02 is bad, the earth is warming….and when you disagree their response is 1-6 above……comical if it actually wasnt so effective on internet blog sites.
You might find this interesting as well:
A cultural exchange?? Hardly…No Americans to Russia but in return we get Russian embedded in our American news rooms.
Liam typed:
1. The right are racists.
2. the right are bigots.
3. The right are Homophobes.
4. The right are angry white men.
5. The right are whacko Christians.
6. the right are conspiracy whackos.
Note number 6. And note his belief that paid Communist commenters are stalking him.
He left out “It’s always projection”.
What he refuses to discuss is simple: The Earth is warming because we’re adding gigatons of CO2 to the atmosphere every year.
His hypothesis is that the Sun caused some CO2 to be released from melting ice. This CO2 stimulated the growth of green plants which pulled CO2 from the Earth, at which time the plants died and decayed, releasing more CO2 than the plants originally incorporated from the air. The newly released CO2, but not CO2 from humans burning fossil fuels, is causing the Earth to warm. See? All natural.
He’s upset that he’s been asked to supply supporting evidence.
Notice how the racist progressive returns to Saul Alinsky Ridicule and then changes the subject back to c02 being bad…..Hit them from all sides.
Ridicule is the only argument they have. He does not want a debate he wants you to state your position so he can ridicule it and polk fun at it and make you defend silly spurious arguments. Now hes building strawmen, attributing them to me and then daring me to defend something that he made up in his own mind.
It is for certain he is a paid agitator. And Astro-turfer. 11 percent of those polled believe AGW is a serious issue…..So the 11 percent must make it seem like they are 90 percent by flooding the media and the internet with Astro-turfers. The Leftist billionaires must make their money.
You know more about Alinsky’s rules and use more of his techniques than anyone I know. Don’t forget your rule 7: It’s always projection.
Let me know when you want to discuss global warming.
Notice how the racist Astro-turfer has now reduced his posts to just 3 lines.
Understanding how to debate Alinsky slinging, Cloward and Piven communist Astro-turfer is very important in the online community.
They are everywhere. Obama was trainned in Saul Alinsky. Hillary Clinton did her College Poly Sci Thesis on Saul Alinsky. Anyone that fails to understand the power of the tactic need only watch it in its beauty tear down a good debate and turn it into a conservatives are homophobic biggots and if you dont understand what they are doing to you they win and you lose….
He wants to now discuss global warming….which is Alinsky speak for taking anything I say and then Making me defend my position. the mudslinging, ridicule will start all over again and nothing will happen other then anything I say will be trashed and we will go back to the 6 step approach of Im a homophobic biggot whose into conspiracy theories.
Notice how the global warming advocates never take a stand on anything other then co2 is bad and the planet is warming…..They never offer up solutions because Saul Alinsky tells us to never be caught in a What WOULD YOU DO scenario…keep the pressure on them.
The 11 percent solution is powered by Astro-turfing AGW fanatics whose sole function on the internet is to Saul Alinsky or RIDICULE AGW Deniers into submission.
And Now you know the rest of the story.
And yet all you do is mock and ridicule. Funny that, huh?
I don’t blame you for not wanting to revisit your “theory” of warming. You put patch after patch on it with each hole poked.
Over the past 100 years or so, the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased from 280 ppm to 400 ppm, as predicted based on the amount of CO2 added to atmosphere from fossil fuel burning. This is the highest concentration in some 800,000 years. If not from burning fossil fuels, from where did this CO2 originate and how did it reach the atmosphere?
11 percent of the population actually care that the co2 is 400 ppm. Notice the bait and switch tactic used in all its splendor.
The above Astro-turfing agitator uses the assumed close. That is a close where we must assume that the statement he makes is true and therefor without reproach. Anything said to refute this simple true fact would be met with ridicule and belittlement.
Instead he has taken a simple fact that cannot be debated….as in the ppm of co2 is indeed 400. But the switch here comes in How did the co2 reach the atmosphere if not for the burning of fossil fuels. IF A then most certainly B.
Any attempt on my part to discuss this is met with the Full Blown Saul Alinsky belittlement. The questioning of my mental faculties and my ability to dress myself in the mornings.
There is no reasonable way to have a conversation with an Astro-turfing paid operative of the AGW crowd or the KGB or whichever PAC or BILLIONAIRE that is sponsoring this agitator.
It is pointless to try. The important point to note here is how to deal with these Agitating Astro-turfers and to spot one the minute they arrive in a blog, or website.
Guilty. I’m a KGB operative, paid by the CIA (which is jointly owned by George Soros and Koch Industries).
That takes a load of my shoulders.
Now, where did all that CO2 come from? If you give the scientifically correct answer I promise not to pick on you.
I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings for criticizing your evolving-in-real-time implausible model to account for global warming. I expected you to be a bit tougher.
The Astro-turfing agitator. Now wants me to give the scientifically correct answer that of course the 11 percent believe is a problem.
11 Percent. That is the amount of people who believe global warming is a major issue. However once again he resorts to a 5 sentence response begging me to go back and talk about global warming so he can once again pull out Saul Alinsky Tricks and berate, belittle and bash anything I say that does not completely and without equivocation toe the AGW party line.
Power is not in what you have but in what they THINK you have……the Astro-turfing agitator is losing power because I refuse to discuss AGW with him…..which by the way I have laid out my position for days…..BUT HE UNDERSTANDS THAT HE IS NOT DOING IS PAID JOB by insulting and disrupting any conversation about AGW at this site so he is frantically trying to get back to bashing any non AGW believers opinion or position.
Its how Saul Alinsky tactics work. Never give your own SOLUTIONS….JUST STATE THE PERCEIVED GRIEVANCE over and over and over again in different ways….never offering a solution but forcing the opposition to concede ground even though you have proven nothing. Make them fear you. Make them PAY to make you go away……
IN the astro-turfing paid agitators for Global Warming….they never offer viable solutions….they only want to bash yours and beat and berate you into concessions.
Here endth your lesson in the Saul Alinsky tactics of paid Astro-turfers who peruse the internet looking to use SAUL ALINKSY tactics to make it appear they have a much larger following then they actually do.
Poor Liam,
The King of the Ignorati now thinks science is a popularity contest, repeatedly referring to a survey, without citing it.
Why does he refuse to defend his own “sciency” theories? Because he can’t.
He prefers to play the victim of a Communist/Nazi/KGB/Bill Gates/Stalin/Alinsky plot to stalk and harass him. He believes that George Soros pays people to debate him in the comments sections of Denier blogs.