From the official Stop The ACLU blogburst, done with authority by loboinok:
by Susie Hassan
Monday, April 16, 2007
ABC7 News Online
COLLIER COUNTY:
A Collier County man who hands out bibles to Collier County high school students is under fire by the American Civil Liberties Union. Officials with the ACLU spent Monday night talking to Collier County democrats about the issue.
People on one side of the argument say it’s not a separation of church and state issue while the other side says it is in fact a perfect example and neither side is backing down.
The debate begins with bibles handed out by Jerry Rutherford to Collier County high school students. He says there’s no harm in what he’s doing.
“This is not a church and state issue. It’s a free speech issue,” said Rutherford.
But the ACLU says the separation of church and state is exactly the issue.
“There is a time to speak you religious beliefs and that is in your church. *But the public education is not the forum for bible distribution,” said ACLU Attorney Yale Freeman.
Typical ACLU position in their ongoing attempt to remove Christianity from the public sphere, and contain it to a more localized, segregated place in society.
Yeah, I’ve heard all the lefts’ defense of the ACLU, saying that the ACLU has defended Christians in the past. Small cases that didn’t amount to much of anything other than PR and to give the appearance of equal treatment. If Labor Unions represented their members in the same manner, members and liberals would be going ballistic.
Thomas More Law Center To Argue For Reversal of Decision Permitting Public Schools to Teach Students to “Become Muslims”… where was the ACLU?
Public Minnesota College to Install Foot-Washing Basins for Muslim Students…where is the ACLU?
Seattle Airport Removes Christmas Trees Instead of Putting Up Menorah…ACLU?
Muslims Seek Prayer Room at Airport…ACLU?
Rumsfeld supports Scouts meeting on military bases… “The ACLU contends the government sponsorship violates religious freedoms since the Boy Scouts require members to pledge allegiance to God.”
JONES INTRODUCES BILL TO PROTECT PRAYER IN
OUR MILITARY ACADEMIES… “In May 2001, the Virginia Chapter of the American Civil Liberty
Union sued the Virginia Military Institute on behalf of two former cadets who opposed the non-
denominational pre-supper prayer.”
Taxpayers fund Islamic center… “An announcement that the U.S. Marine base at Quantico, Va., has refurbished a building to be used as a prayer room for Muslim soldiers and civilians on base is a “bad signal,” one critic has concluded.”… where is the ACLU?
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*But the public education is not the forum for bible distribution,” said ACLU Attorney Yale Freeman.
The Founders that gave us the First Amendment is also the same that sanctioned the “Aitken’s Bible” and permitted its’ printing under the authority of Congress.
Fisher Ames-Framer of the First Amendment
“Our liberty depends on our education, our laws, and habits . . . it is founded on morals and religion, whose authority reigns in the heart, and on the influence all these produce on public opinion before that opinion governs rulers.”
(Source: Fisher Ames, An Oration on the Sublime Virtues of General George Washington (Boston: Young & Minns, 1800), p. 23.)
James McHenry-Signer of the Constitution
“[P]ublic utility pleads most forcibly for the general distribution of the Holy Scriptures. The doctrine they preach, the obligations they impose, the punishment they threaten, the rewards they promise, the stamp and image of divinity they bear, which produces a conviction of their truths, can alone secure to society, order and peace, and to our courts of justice and constitutions of government, purity, stability and usefulness. In vain, without the Bible, we increase penal laws and draw entrenchments around our institutions. Bibles are strong entrenchments. Where they abound, men cannot pursue wicked courses, and at the same time enjoy quiet conscience.”
(Source: Bernard C. Steiner, One Hundred and Ten Years of Bible Society Work in Maryland, 1810-1920 (Maryland Bible Society, 1921), p. 14.)
Benjamin Rush-Signer of the Declaration of Independence
“The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.”
(Source: Benjamin Rush, Essays, Literary, Moral and Philosophical (Philadelphia: Thomas and William Bradford, 1806), p. 8.)
George Washington-Father of Our Country
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of man and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?
And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?”
(Source: George Washington, Address of George Washington, President of the United States . . . Preparatory to His Declination (Baltimore: George and Henry S. Keatinge), pp. 22-23. In his Farewell Address to the United States in 1796.)
In front of the Collier County democrats, Freeman said the county shouldn’t overlook this incident.
“If we had one religion, one voice saying this is the religion we must practice, we would have a very different society today,” said Freeman.
Freeman says handing out bibles is no different than colleges handing out literature and military branches handing out literature in high schools. He says that’s all the same thing.
But for Roger Brown, President of the American Foundation for Separation of Church and State, that comparison is nowhere near the same.
“They’re passing out non-religious material they not trying to recruit students to come to their church,” said Brown.
Brown sited a court case that allows bibles to be handed out in schools as to why he should also be allowed. He added the students seemed to want the bibles.
“The reason is the students wanted them. Had they not wanted them, they wouldn’t have picked them up and taken off with them,” said Rutherford.
But in a letter written to Freeman by a school board attorney, the attorney states that Rutherford and his attorney have been advised that they are not permitted to continue handing out bibles. The letter also stated that district high school principals have been advised not to allow distribution at the building level.
But Rutherford isn’t backing down until the court case is overturned.
“Until then, we will continue giving out bibles in schools,” said Rutherford.
The ACLU isn’t backing down either. They will continue to monitor the incident and push so that it does not happen again.
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