Sure to be the next cause celeb by the Left
A military judge rejected a request Wednesday by lawyers for a Guantanamo detainee to talk to the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, thwarting their attempt to show the defendant was a minor al-Qaida figure.
Civilian defense attorney Harry Schneider told reporters he had hoped that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the two other high-value detainees held at this isolated U.S. military base could establish that their client Salim Ahmed Hamdan, a former driver for Osama bin Laden, was not a hardcore terrorist.
Aw, the poor baby. He was just Obama’s, I mean Osama’s, driver, so he cannot be a hardcore terrorist. Yeah, that is believable. Like Osama would hire someone who didn’t hold his same beliefs, and wasn’t trained as an al Qaeda terrorist. It is an interesting, yet silly, arguement from defense lawyers trying to get him off.
Certainly, in their BDS, liberals will jump to Hamdan defense, as a way of reafirming their seething denial that al Qaeda are bad people, and that Guantanamo should be closed as a detention center. For some reason, I suppose just because they are liberals, the mere existence of a center to detain Muslim extremists caught on the battlefields of Afghanistan wearing no uniform sends liberals in to apoplexy. The mere fact that these terrorists are not given full American Rights drives them to dress in orange jump suits and act like complete idiots. It makes it pretty easy to see where the sympathies of liberals reside.
The effort came the same day that the Supreme Court debated – for the third time since 2004 – the rights of foreign terrorism suspects held at Guantanamo Bay.
Rights? What rights? According to the Geneva Convention, since they wore no uniforms while fighting, they could be immediately executed as spies.
Hamdan’s defense team argues that he should be considered an enemy prisoner of war who would be entitled to the same rights as a captured U.S. service member and a court martial – a legal system that critics of the government’s tribunal system say has more legal protections for defendants.
He wore no uniform. The Geneva Convention is quite clear on this. He, and the others, are not POW’s. They should be lucky we do not treat them like they treat our people who are captured, which includes civilians. Of course, liberals blame American citizens who are beheaded for being beheaded, because the Americans are the aggressors. Logic in liberal world, otherwise known as the Treason Lobby.
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Betrayed again…
Florida Marlins managment has once again given the finger to the team’s fans….
Teach said: According to the Geneva Convention, since they wore no uniforms while fighting, they could be immediately executed as spies.
Teach, you are mistaken. The Geneva Convention does not state this. I hope you correct this in your post because this is not a minor error.
Teach said: He wore no uniform. The Geneva Convention is quite clear on this.
In Hamdan v. Rumsfeld (June 2006) the Supreme Court held that according to Common Article 3 the Geneva Conventions applies to all detainees in any armed conflict and not merely to soldiers who fight for established countries which are signatories to the Convention.
http://gulcfac.typepad.com/georgetown_university_law/2006/07/top_ten_myths_a_1.html
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Dennis Quaid has apparently decided to sue Baxter over the Heparin mishap that affected his newborns. This is a waste of the legal system’s time….
Teach doesn’t have to base what he says on reality, if he heard it on Rush well that is gospel to him and then becomes a FACT
Perhaps Teach you should take a look at the Geneva Conventions BEFORE you embarrass yourself
For Geneva’s definition of a civillian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian
Fourth Geneva Convention
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention
John, I don’t think Hamdan qualifies as a civilian under the Geneva Conventions. He was caught in Afghanistan and charged with conspiracy to commit terrorism. As the Hamdan case illustrates, the status of a terrorist is not as clear as a soldier in a conventional force – but he does get some minimal protections under Common Article 3.
I was disagreeing more with Teach’s statement that according to the Geneva Convention spies can be executed immediately. That is absolutely incorrect.
Terrorist bomb delivery in France murders secretar…
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Silke, the GC allows for the execution of spies, which those serving on the battlefields in no uniform can be treated as such. We know that won’t happen, but, it is part of the GC.
Also, as the detainees are considered to be enemy combatants, like POW’s, they can, per the GC, be held without trial till the end of the conflict. We are actually treating them much better the then GC requires. Damn site better then they treat our military and civilians.
John, perhaps you should read the actual Gevena Conventions. Wikipedia is good for some oversight and basic information, but, I would really not consider it to be the holy grail of knowledge.
Spies can be executed, per the GC, and have been, Silke. Rather then posting lots of links, look it up. Particularly in the case of germans and FDR.
Yes, spies have been executed but that has nothing to do with the Geneva Conventions. It has to do with the laws of the country in which the espionage took place. The only reason the GC applies is with respect to the right that person has to a fair and regular trial and not an immediate execution as you state. This is not that hard to understand.
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/FULL/380?OpenDocument
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Great points and great post. I’m not supposed to take pleasure in others’ crying, but boohoo! ;)
(I’ll ask forgiveness later. As soon as they stop killing us. How’s about that?)
Silke, it took FDR 8 days to have a MILITARY Tribune pronounce (I think it was) 8 German spies, some were even American citisens, and one was given prison time. Don’t try to change the rules of the game now just because you think you’re better than FDR. eh?
More info on the NIE…
Days after the initial release of the National Intelligence Estimate, there are yet more questions and articles. As I am not an ‘expert’ in this field, I would like to take this time to provide yet more ‘expert’ input…
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Rosemary, what does that have to do with the Geneva Convention? The Fourth Geneva Convention which I quoted from wasn’t even adopted until 1949.
Teach’s statement implies that because someone not in uniform is found fighting on the battlefield they can be summarily executed as a spy. First, just because a person is not in uniform does not automatically make them a spy. Second, even if they were committing espionage that’s almost the opposite of what the GC says about the treatment of spies. Besides, this doesn’t even apply to Hamdan since he was charged with conspiracy to commit terrorism, not espionage (which is a very specific charge).
No one is saying spies can’t be executed, but whatever the punishment ultimately is it certainly can’t happen immediately because according to the GC it has to be a fair and regular trial. Teach is referring to a document that calls for the humane treatment of both combatants and non-combatants to justify the summary execution of someone. He’s wrong on several counts. It’s disappointing that he’s unwilling to admit (let alone correct) such a blatant error.
Is this islamo a better driver than Senaturd Ted Kennedy?
Matey Teach… Tell jihadi sympathizer Ryan that Al-Qaeda islamofascist terrorists don’t wear uniforms, don nor fly their nation’s flag(s), or deserve Geneva Convention … POW status! They even… wear ski masks, slice their captives throats and behead infidels too! Imagine that?
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