I had a brief Twitter debate with a Warmist Sunday afternoon, brief on my part, because I had to bow out due to other obligations, and noted
https://twitter.com/WilliamTeach/status/409816181496107008
The way Warmists have positioned “climate change” means there is no way to ever disprove it, the same as a cult. That’s how we end up with memes like this when it is cold and snow
New Study Says Arctic Ice Melt And Extreme Weather Conditions In US, Europe Linked
Extreme and erratic weather conditions, such as worsening heat waves, cold snaps and downpours in the U.S. and Europe, could be linked to Arctic ice melt, scientists said on Sunday.
Wait, “could be”? It either is or isn’t when we discuss science. This is more like wishful thinking.
The new study published in the journal “Nature Climate Change,†warned of increasingly extreme weather across “much of North America and Eurasia where billions of people will be affected,†Reuters reported. The new findings have further roiled a debate on the impact of global warming on climate change, as international scientists and studies differ significantly on whether human-caused global warming is responsible for climate change or not.
Really, there’s no need for further excerpts, since most of you know how this little bit of witchcraft goes, you’ve seen it before. Though there is this
According to a U.N. report, Arctic sea ice shrank to a record low in 2012 and its panel of scientists warned that if the trend continues then the North Pole could lose its ice and snow cover by 2050, leading to severe climate change around the globe.
Oh, now it’s 2050? I though the Arctic was supposed to be ice free by 2013, which would be….this year. Which didn’t happen. In fact, the Arctic is doing very well this year. But, you know, it “could” be ice free 40 years from now. That same type of prediction didn’t work out too well when it was made in 1960. Furthermore, the Antarctic is still doing very well, and except for a small part in the west, it is growing and getting colder.
The Warmist proposition that the melting causes increased water vapor which creates all the snow is sorta founded in real science. Except, there is no increase in atmospheric water vapor. But, by Warmist standards
https://twitter.com/WilliamTeach/status/409812027700695040
As the twitterer said, there is no proof, science doesn’t work that way. You don’t understand the process of scientific enquiry as you demonstrate daily.
The Theory of AGW is easily refutable. Show that CO2 doesn’t absorb infrared radiation. Show that the Earth isn’t warming. Show that atmospheric CO2 isn’t increasing… and on and on. Please just show the solid data that is not consistent with the theory.
You discuss the scientific processes and findings as a propagandist, which is OK – it’s your job – but has no impact on the actual scientific argument. There are no tactics from the far-right anti-AGW forces that hasn’t been thoroughly refuted, but the stake must be driven through the heart of these zombie lies time and time again. Scientists laugh at (or worse, ignore) your contention that this theory is not refutable.
You have so few followers that it’s probably not important.
“There is no proof that we are willing to accept.”
There.
Fixed that for ya.
J’s post, translated: I can’t explain away what Teach wrote, so, look over here, and over here….. “Show that CO2 doesn’t absorb infrared radiation.” A lot of things absorb infrared radiation. “Show that the earth isn’t warming.” We’ve shown you that- if you choose to disregard that info that’s on you. But scientifically, we don’t have to show that, because as you know it’s always warming or cooling. On the contrary, it’s your side that has to show that it’s CO2 that’s causing it, which you haven’t done. “Show that CO2 isn’t increasing.” Do you ever read? No one has ever said CO2 isn’t increasing. That’s the point- it is increasing but warming has stoped. And CO2 levels have been higher in the past. From your post it appears you’ve never heard that correlation doesn’t equal causation. “You have so few followers..” Gee, there’s that desperation again. How many followers is totally irrelevant.
That’s the way liberals rill, JJ, they also try and smear people personally, mostly because their arguments are crap. Same reason they play the race card.
I hear you.
Snort…. except 2012 was a normal average level. Thus, their whole point of the article is null and void.
J continues to obfuscate and change the topic. We start off with a story on CAGWers trying to claim FREEZING BITTER COLD is tied to a warming world, to one where J tries to counter normalcy with inanity.
First, he tries to defend CAGW by forcing us to deny it, as if CAGW is a law. So far, the theory of CAGW has yet to be supported by anything. Thus it has been disproved over and over again. Yet, CAGWers continue to believe it is law.
He tries to claim that CAGW is proven by the lone idea that CO2 absorbs IR. As if this completely explains global warming, which he believes does. He then claims that a VASTLY RAPIDLY warming world also fully explains the law of CAGW. Yet, there’s no evidence of warming over the last nearly 20 years, or that it is any different than any other period in history.
Other than that, J has nothing but personal attacks.
And that’s exactly why, GB, we call “climate change” a cult, rather than a science. The Warmists have created a hypothesis which has no mechanism where it can be proven wrong. On their world, everything proves AGW, and they always have some ready excuse, no matter how absurd or insane, counter-intutive, un-scientific, it is.
guppy,
You were confused by the original tweet, and it reveals your lack of understanding of the scientific process. The twitterer was telling the Pirate that there is NO PROOF OF THE THEORY OF GLOBAL WARMING, which is true, but there is an accumulation of data that supports (or is consistent) with the theory. That’s the way science works. The theory of global warming can be easily falsified with evidence.
I know that most of you don’t accept the evidence supporting the theory of evolution (for religious or ideological reasons), but it is also easily refutable: Find solid evidence in the fossil record showing that modern plants or animals co-existed with ancient forms.
If you are applying the same scientific reasoning toward global warming that you use for evolution, then you’ll never accept the overwhelming evidence supporting (but not proving) global warming.
The theory of global warming can never be refuted to cult members if they won’t examine other evidence.
That’s the bottom line, Jiffy.
You have asked for other evidence and when people supply it, you dismiss it out of hand.
You are doing the same thing here with your pseudo “find solid evidence” because not only are you not willing to accept evidence, but you are misrepresenting the theory of creationism.
Who would have guessed that you are intellectual dishonest?
J states that there is NO PROOF for the theory of CAGW. Yet he treats the theory as a law. He states that there is evidence that counters the theory of CAGW, yet ignores that since it does not PROVE alternate theories.
This of course, throws the whole idea of scientific analysis and experimentation on its head. But then, CAGW was never about science. It is all about politics, thus, the stodgy belief that J holds on to no matter what, is a cult.
This cult is all about intellectual dishonesty since its primary purpose is to remove freedoms, choice, and wealth from one group of people and transfer them to another through the oppressive and punitive arms of government.
gumballs,
No, not as a law, but as a theory with supporting evidence. You don’t accept that evidence. So be it.
By all means, present your most impressive piece of evidence that refutes the theory. Or 2 or ten. It should be easy since the theory is based on shoddy evidence.
The primary purpose of climate realists is to keep the Earth’s mean surface temperature from increasing another couple degrees C.
No. The primary purpose of climate realists is to get you cultists to realize that you can’t keep the earth from changing. You have to be realists. Realize that the earth will do what the earth will do on its own. You can’t stop it from warming and you can’t stop it from cooling.
Get off your god complex and realize how puny you are in the great cosmos.
Yet, you stated that your theory has no evidence. So, now you switch again.