But, hey, it’s for the kids or something!
(AP) U.S. Rep. Jackie Speier is proposing legislation that would regulate electronic cigarettes in the same way that tobacco products are currently regulated.
Speier, D-Hillsborough, announced the proposed law — called the Stop Selling and Marketing to Our Kids E-Cigarettes Act, or SMOKE — on Friday morning in front of the San Francisco General Hospital emergency room.
Speier says the e-cigarette industry is targeting children and teenagers by offering products flavored like gummy bears, cotton candy and chocolate cake.
Parts of the legislation would prohibit the use of flavorings in the products and require the Food and Drug Administration to establish childproof packaging standards and dosage limits.
This is simply using kids to enforce the Nanny State, because You just can’t be trusted to make your own decisions. I have a post sitting in the hopper from around a month ago that I never got around to posting, featuring Tom Harkin (D) whining in the same manner.
The #SMOKEAct will protect our youth from the aggressive marketing of clearly addictive #ecigarette products http://t.co/9Ba39rhdNU
— Jackie Speier (@RepSpeier) June 20, 2014
I have to wonder: if Dems are so concerned about children being marketed to with flavors, then why aren’t they doing anything about all the flavored alcohol? How many flavors of vodka are there? How about rum? Tequila?Schnapps? Beers? Cider drinks?
Then there’s the constant legalization of pot. How about drinks infused with THC? I see watermelon, peach, and blueberry, among others. How about all sorts of treats, like chocolate bars, chocolate drops, brownies, cookies, “jolly drops”, and so many others, available in a wide variety of flavors? Where is the concern about that being marketed to kids?
In fact, this is a completely ginned up issue. Practically the only advertising you will see for e-cigs are for ones that taste like cigarettes, such as the TV commercials for Blue e-cigs. You’ll hear some for others, like Njoy, on the radio. The ones that are marketed are primarily the type where you purchase replacement cartridges to attach to the replacement batteries, what are commonly referred to as disposables, rather than ones where you are purchasing e-juice, used to fill a clearomizer, which is attached to a battery. This is what I’ve been using.
Of course the tobacco companies support these regulations, because the regs won’t affect them. They aren’t really the ones offering all the different flavors.
Perhaps Ms. Speiers can explain why she is doing the dirty business of Big Tobacco, as well as not going after THC/Marijuana and alcohol.
This is another example of Demokrats ignoring actual scientific evidence much like
global warming, climate change,climate wierding.The facts has been studied extensively and available to anyone who knows how to use Google… http://onvaping.com/the-ultimate-list-of-studies-on-e-cigarettes-and-their-safety/
We all know white sugar is bad for human diets, but it is marketed to kids in all kinds of flavors — “gummy bears, cotton candy and chocolate cake”. Horrors, the end of the world, Repent, the sky is falling; Climate crisis or something; wolf, wolf, wolf.
Representative Speier isn’t calling for a ban of e-cigs, but for regulation. Flavored vodkas are regulated, but if you think they are underregulated, you should write your congressperson. Same for pot. We should do all we can to keep alcohol, pot and cigarettes away from children, even if some of the regulations inconvenience users.
E-cigs are safer than tobacco, but one concern is that the flavored varieties will addict children to nicotine and they will convert to tobacco to satisfy their addiction. If we can keep children away from tobacco products they will not become addicted. Individuals rarely take up nicotine use as adults.
“flavored varieties will addict children to nicotine”
So as I understand your point, no adults enjoy flavors of any kind. And you only ever eat unflavored gruel and drink only water.
Furthermore the only children experimenting with e-cigarettes have been found to be current smokers looking for a safer alternative.
Also in studies done with nicotine delivered without smoking a cigarette has shown nicotine no more addicting or harmful than caffeine.
Representative Speier wants to regulate e-cigarettes the same as Obama wants to regulate coal. It’s not a ban, it just makes regulations no one can comply with.
“So as I understand your point, no adults enjoy flavors of any kind. And you only ever eat unflavored gruel and drink only water.” — You clearly did not understand my point, as it has no relation to your conclusion. —
— Do you have any evidence to support your following shaky claims? —
“Furthermore the only children experimenting with e-cigarettes have been found to be current smokers looking for a safer alternative.”
and
“Also in studies done with nicotine delivered without smoking a cigarette has shown nicotine no more addicting or harmful than caffeine.”
finally… “Representative Speier wants to regulate e-cigarettes the same as Obama wants to regulate coal. It’s not a ban, it just makes regulations no one can comply with.” — Regulating coal and regulating e-cig are not “the same”. Which of the suggested regulations can not be complied with? —
“— Do you have any evidence to support your following
shakyclaims? —”Jeffery, reading is fundamental, you obviously didn’t read the link I left in my original post. Here’s a couple more…
http://ecigarettereviewed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Nicotine-safety-in-the-context-of-e-cigarette-use-and-tobacco-dependence-Jacques-Le-Houezec-E-Cigarette-Summit.pdf
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/comms-ic/documents/websiteresources/con286844.pdf
The point is that there will never be a ban on flavored alcohol because the reps are paid by lobbyists in return for financial contributions. This has everything to do with ideology , fear mongering, and misleading the public for financial gain. Aside from the fact that prohibition was already tried and failed.
Tobacco companies benefits from banning flavors because they have only recently entered the e-cig industry and their disposable e-cigs do not use flavors except for tobacco and menthol. It is important to keep in mind that e-cigs were first manufactured by small cottage industries that have grown in as little as five years to what it is now; a 2.5 billion dollar industry (4 billion world wide). Forbes estimates that e-cigs will overtake the sales of cigarettes in one decade.
Rep. Speiers wants to only allow menthol flavor. Coincidence? I think not. Then there’s Glasxo Klein and Smith that sells Nicotine gum made in tropical fruit and cherry flavors that are legal for persons under the age of 18 to purchase. Why not ban those flavors if she’s concerned *Nicotine* is a gateway to tobacco cigarettes? For the same reasons why they won’t ban tobacco. Tobacco and Pharma corporations are too big to fail.
City, state and federal governments rely on the revenue from tobacco. Taxes on one pack of cigarettes are as high as $3.80 in some states. The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Settlement Act of 2009 gives each state millions of dollars every year to use for pet projects even though it was meant to be used for the costs of medical expenses associated with smoking related diseases. Cities also receive anywhere from $4,000 to $275,000 for being certified as a, “healthy,” city by the state. That certification now includes banning e-cigs. As always it’s about money and politics.
Back to the studies you requested. An online survey published in peer reviewed journal confirmed that flavors are very important to perceived enjoyment of e-cigs and quitting smoking. Here’s the flavor study:
http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/10/12/7272
http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/research/2013/145-e-cigarette-flavors
Rep. Speiers also says she is also worried kids will become addicted to Nicotine and it’s a gateway to smoking cigarettes. But studies show that E-cigs are a gateway *away* from tobacco. Only 1.1% of teens have ever *tried* an e-cig compared to 20% of adult smokers. To me, Rep. Speier’s ban is a solution looking for a problem. The ban certainly will not help the thousands upon thousands of smokers in the USA who are trying to quit. (An additional 2.1 million smokers reside in the EU.) And it won’t help the teens which a study shows are heavy young smokers who are trying to quit smoking. Study’s link here:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25739-ecig-users-are-young-heavy-smokers-trying-to-quit.html#.U6SZXxbp_wL
So, this ban would effectively eliminate the one product that has shown for the first time in history to be successful in stopping smoking. NRT products such as Nicotine gum, patches and drugs such as Chantix have only a 3-4% success rate compared to a 60% success rate with e-cigs. I do not have the studies for these numbers handy but, if you Google, “UK Smoking Tool Kit” and, the “Ash survey” and, “Professor Robert West’, I’m sure you will find them.
Here is another study by The Royal Collage of Physicians titled, “What you need to know about electronic cigarettes” It does refer to the Smoking Tool Kit and I think you might find it helpful: http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/commentary/what-you-need-know-about-electronic-cigarettes
More information written by a doctor about why the crusade against e-cigs: http://www.american.com/archive/2012/november/the-deadly-crusade-against-e-cigarettes
Another great site to find truthful information about smoking, the CDC studies, teens, and e-cigs. http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-cdc-abuses-facts-about-e-cigarettes.html
The author is a Professor of Medicine at the University of Louisville, and holds an endowed chair in tobacco harm reduction research. He is a member of the James Graham Brown Cancer Center at U of L. For the past 20 years he has been involved in research and policy development regarding tobacco harm reduction (THR).
Information on the CDC’s newest study about smoking and teen use: http://www.ecigadvanced.com/blog/cdc-report-teen-smoking-hit-22-year-low/
I’m sure you can find the original study if you Google it. I’m running out of steam. But the CDC’s newest study shows that teen smoking has actually decreased since e-cigs came on the market.
Studies also show that e-cigs are 99% less harmful than tobacco. So ask yourself why the CDC, the media, the Cancer Society and, The American Lung Association (though the ALA has recently asked for studies with e-cig users so they may not be bought and paid by with Pharma money like the others) and other tobacco control organizations wish to ban e-cigs. If e-cigs were banned it would mean health advocates for these organizations would lose their jobs. The city and state governments would lose a lot of revenue they have come to rely upon.
Nicotine when not combined with tobacco has recently been shown to be far less addictive than first thought now that tests are being conducted on Nicotine alone and not only in cigarettes. I don’t have those studies handy but here is a comprehensive list of studies on Nicotine, Smoking, and E-cigarettes. http://nicotinepolicy.net/documents-all/research
It is by no means all the studies that have been conducted on smoking and e-cigarettes but, it will hopefully satisfy your needs.
I’d be happy to discuss this with you in further depth if you so desire. There’s a lot more to the story of electronic cigarettes than meets the eye. I think you might find the following article about the controversy on e-cigettes quite enlightening. It was written by a renowned heart specialist who has been researching e-cigarettes for many years after he became convinced his patients were truly becoming healthier when they stopped smoking and instead used e-cigs. I copied part of that letter below. (You can also find some excellent studies on the same website).
You can find the rest of the article here: http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2014/165-ecig-harm
“There is absolutely no doubt that, based on all currently available scientific evidence, e-cigarettes are by far less harmful that tobacco cigarettes. The only existing scientific debate and dispute is about the absolute harm-potential of e-cigarettes. Anyone who believes that the relative risk is comparable to tobacco cigarettes is simply ignorant or is deliberately lying. The finding that people (especially smokers) do not believe that e-cigarettes are less harmful than tobacco cigarettes is a clear indication that the part of the tobacco control movement who is ideologically opposing e-cigarettes are doing a pretty good job in MISINFORMING the public. By doing this, they are directly harming the smokers, who may be thinking of using e-cigarettes as alternatives to smoking but are now discouraged from doing this. Moreover, they are creating a social clash within the society between vapers and non-smokers/non-vapers, by targeting the vapers as users of an unhealthy product, in a similar way that smokers have been targeted in the past.” ~
Dr. Farsalinos, E-cigarette Research and Advocate Group
I would guess both. But since I don’t know about coal here is why the regulations for e-cigs would be impossible to comply with:
http://casaa.org/uploads/FDA_Ecig_Rules_2014.pdf
Read the 241 pages of the deeming regulations for e-cigs and see if you can figure out how any company could comply unless they has many millions of dollars to spend on them. The regs would effectively hand over the e-cig industry to tobacco.
The point is that there will never be a ban on flavored alcohol because the reps are paid by lobbyists in return for financial contributions. This has everything to do with ideology , fear mongering, and misleading the public for financial gain. Aside from the fact that prohibition was already tried and failed.
Tobacco companies benefits from banning flavors because they have only recently entered the e-cig industry and their disposable e-cigs do not use flavors except for tobacco and menthol. It is important to keep in mind that e-cigs were first manufactured by small cottage industries that have grown in as little as five years to what it is now; a 2.5 billion dollar industry (4 billion world wide). Forbes estimates that e-cigs will overtake the sales of cigarettes in one decade.
Rep. Speiers wants to only allow menthol flavor. Coincidence? I think not. Then there’s Glasxo Klein and Smith that sells Nicotine gum made in tropical fruit and cherry flavors that are legal for persons under the age of 18 to purchase. Why not ban those flavors if she’s concerned *Nicotine* is a gateway to tobacco cigarettes? For the same reasons why they won’t ban tobacco. Tobacco and Pharma corporations are too big to fail.
City, state and federal governments rely on the revenue from tobacco. Taxes on one pack of cigarettes are as high as $3.80 in some states. The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Settlement Act of 2009 gives each state millions of dollars every year to use for pet projects even though it was meant to be used for the costs of medical expenses associated with smoking related diseases. Cities also receive anywhere from $4,000 to $275,000 for being certified as a, “healthy,” city by the state. That certification now includes banning e-cigs. As always it’s about money and politics.
an e-cig compared to 20% of adult smokers. To me, Rep. Speier’s ban is a solution looking for a problem. The ban certainly will not help the thousands upon thousands of smokers in the USA who are trying to quit. And it won’t help the teens which a study shows are heavy young smokers who are trying to quit smoking. Study’s link here:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25739-ecig-users-are-young-heavy-smokers-trying-to-quit.html#.U6SZXxbp_wL
So, this ban would effectively eliminate the one product that has shown for the first time in history to be successful in stopping smoking. NRT products such as Nicotine gum, patches and drugs such as Chantix have only a 3-4% success rate compared to a 60% success rate with e-cigs. I do not have the studies for these numbers handy but, if you Google, “UK Smoking Tool Kit” and, the “Ash survey” and, “Professor Robert West’, I’m sure you will find them.
Here is another study by The Royal Collage of Physicians titled, “What you need to know about electronic cigarettes” It does refer to the Smoking Tool Kit and I think you might find it helpful: http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/commentary/what-you-need-know-about-electronic-cigarettes
More information written by a doctor about why the crusade against e-cigs: http://www.american.com/archive/2012/n
60% success rate with e-cigs. I do not have the studies for these numbers handy but, if you Google, “UK Smoking Tool Kit” and, the “Ash survey” and, “Professor Robert West’, I’m sure you will find them.
Here is another study by The Royal Collage of Physicians titled, “What you need to know about electronic cigarettes” It does refer to the Smoking Tool Kit and I think you might find it helpful: http://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/commentary/what-you-need-know-about-electronic-cigarettes
More information written by a doctor about why the crusade against e-cigs: http://www.american.com/archive/2012/november/the-deadly-crusade-against-eigs: http://www.american.com/archive/2012/november/the-deadly-crusade-against-e-cigarettes
Another great site to find truthful information about the CDC studies on smoking, teens, and e-cigs. http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-cdc-abuses-facts-about-e-cigarettes.html
The author is a Professor of Medicine at the University of Louisville, and hold an endowed chair in tobacco harm reduction research. He is a member of the James Graham Brown Cancer Center at U of L.For the past 20 years he has been involved in research and policy development regarding tobacco harm reduction (THR).
Information on the CDC’s newest study about smoking and teen use: http://www.ecigadvanced.com/blog/cdc-report-teen-smoking-hit-22-year-low/
‘m sure you can find the original study if you Google it. I’m running out of steam. But the CDC’s newest study shows that teen smoking has actually decreased since e-cigs came on the market.
Studies also show that e-cigs are 99% less harmful than tobacco. So ask yourself why the CDC, the media, the Cancer Society and, The American Lung Association (though the ALA has recently asked for studies with e-cig users so they may not be bought and paid by with Pharma money like the others) and other tobacco control organizations wish to ban e-cigs. If e-cigs were banned it would mean health advocates for these organizations would lose their jobs. The city and state governments would lose a lot of revenue they have come to rely upon.
Nicotine when not combined with tobacco has recently been shown to be far less addictive than first thought now that tests are being conducted on Nicotine alone and not only in cigarettes. I don’t have those studies handy but here is a comprehensive list of studies on Nicotine, Smoking, and E-cigarettes. http://nicotinepolicy.net/documents-all/research
It is by no means all the studies that have been conducted on smoking and e-cigarettes but, it will hopefully satisfy your needs.
I’d be happy to discuss this with you in further depth if you so desire. There’s a lot more to the story of electronic cigarettes than meets the eye. I think you might find the following article about the controversy about e-cigettes quite enlightening. It was written by a renowned heart specialist who has been researching e-cigarettes for many years after he realized his patients were truly becoming healthier when they stopped smoking and instead used e-cigs. I copied part of that letter below. (You can also find some excellent studies on the same website).
You can find the rest of the article here: http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2014/165-ecig-harm
“There is absolutely no doubt that, based on all currently available scientific evidence, e-cigarettes are by far less harmful that tobacco cigarettes. The only existing scientific debate and dispute is about the absolute harm-potential of e-cigarettes. Anyone who believes that the relative risk is comparable to tobacco cigarettes is simply ignorant or is deliberately lying. The finding that people (especially smokers) do not believe that e-cigarettes are less harmful than tobacco cigarettes is a clear indication that the part of the tobacco control movement who is ideologically opposing e-cigarettes are doing a pretty good job in MISINFORMING the public. By doing this, they are directly harming the smokers, who may be thinking of using e-cigarettes as alternatives to smoking but are now discouraged from doing this. Moreover, they are creating a social clash within the society between vapers and non-smokers/non-vapers, by targeting the vapers as users of an unhealthy product, in a similar way that smokers have been targeted in the past.” ~
Dr. Farsalinos, E-cigarette Research and Advocate Group
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25739-ecig-users-are-young-heavy-smokers-trying-to-quit.html#.U6SZXxbp_wL
1.1% of teens *tried* an e-cig compared to 20% of adult smokers. To me, Rep. Speier’s ban is a solution looking for a problem. The ban certainly will not help the thousands upon thousands of smokers in the USA who are trying to quit. And it won’t help the teens which a study shows are heavy young smokers who are trying to quit smoking.
Spires is trying to regulate much like alcohol
Teach do you think that this nicotine delivery device should have NO regulation ? When did you personally use the drug nicotine for the first time ? Most addicts use before it is legal
So combustible cigarette have been banned for under 18 for decades so that would mean there are no teenage smokers.
Alcohol have been banned for under 18 for decades so that would mean there are no teenage drinkers.
If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you at a good price.
If the crusades against smoking and drinking have any success, it’s in labeling them as “old folks” vices and pushing the youth to use more illegal drugs….
If only that was the case, Jeff and John. From the article, as I cited
I have zero problem trying to keep this out of the hands of kids (if only those who supported marijuana/THC would work as hard), but she wants to take the choice of flavoring away from adults. Yet, isn’t doing the same for all those things I’ve mentioned.
Now, that is what she says she wants. But, the legislation is rather different. I’ll have a post about it Wednesday.
More: I was a bit off on the legislation. She had previous submitted one to deal with kids using e-cigs in March, but, so far, hasn’t actually submitted the SMOKE Act yet. I fully agree with the March legislation, except in terms in providing the FDA with too much latitude to simply create their rules out of thin air.