I would have ended that headline with “Or Something”, but I did that in the previous post. The NY Times Editorial Board does think all these refugees out of war-torn Syria are super awesome, though
Europe Should See Refugees as a Boon, Not a Burden
Many European leaders have described the refugees who are risking their lives to get to the Continent as a burden. But there is good reason to believe that these immigrants will contribute more to Europe economically than they will take from it.
Numerous studies have found that immigrants bolster growth by increasing the labor force and consumer demand. Rather than being a drain, immigrants generally pay more in taxes than they claim in government benefits. Even a large influx of immigrants does not mean fewer jobs for the existing population, since economies do not have a finite number of jobs. Immigrants often bring skills with them, and some start new businesses, creating jobs for others. The less skilled often take jobs that are hard to fill, like in child care, for example, which allows more parents to work.
The problem here, being, of course, that these immigrants are not high skilled. They barely speak the language, if speak it at all. Their culture is completely different from that of these European countries. And there must be jobs available for them to work and pay taxes. The actual history of migrants invading Europe over the past few decades from the Middle East, southern Asia, and Northern Africa has shown that assimilation is virtually non-existent. Heck, quite a few of these groups have demanded that the European countries change to accommodate the both legal and illegal migrants. Witness the Rotherham child exploitation case. Witness the high levels of violence and arson in France. Witness these Islamists taking over sections of Sweden, creating “no-go” zones of Muslim gangs, along with places where Sharia law rules (the UK has seen much of the same). Witness politicians telling law enforcement and others to leave the groups alone as they create separation from the host country.
One has to wonder why these same refugees haven’t streamed in other Middle Eastern nations and Africa. Those countries don’t want them and refuse to take them, for the most part. Instead, they head to Europe. And, for all the Times’ equivocation regarding “immigration”, they fail to mention the possibility of tons of hardcore Islamists being part of the crowds, both those who simply practice and push the hardcore brand of Islam, and those who act in violent ways while practicing the hardcore version of Islam. How many jihadists are amongst the refugees?
Of course, the EB takes the opportunity to bash Republicans for daring to stand in the way of an invasion of low skilled workers who refuse to assimilate, and ends with
Advocating a pro-immigration position has become politically difficult in the West, in large part because opponents have successfully cast newcomers as economic and social burdens. Their false arguments damage economies and the lives of millions of people trying to escape war and poverty.
The EB is confusing legal and illegal immigration. There are more than enough studies showing that illegal aliens tend to be a drain on society, deflating wages, using up social services, causing problems in hospital ER rooms overrun with illegals, increased crime, and demands that the invaded country kowtow to their demands.
The comments at the editorial are very interesting. Here’s my favorite by MCS
Would the NYT Editorial Board take on hundreds of new unskilled, uneducated journalists, and pay them a weekly salary, until one may, with some will and a lot of luck become a real attribute o the newspaper? That’s precisely what it is lecturing the E.U to do at a time when Globalism has decimated many economies of democracies in the west, countries that barely know how to keep their own citizens working, much less take on more.
What say, Times?
Conservatives said all the same things about taking in Jews in the 1930s
You must be quite proud to follow in their exact same footsteps
Is their any wonder why Americsn Jews vote 70 % liberal Democrat??
Yes Teach you hate refugee children refugee women.
America was BUILT by uneducated hard working immigrants
It was not built by prep school grads
Your views are unAnerican you should be forbidden to visit the Statue of Liberty
Remember the KKK that revived in the 20s also gated immigrants they hated Catholics from Ireland and Italy
Jews from Eastern Europe and Blacks for all the same reasons you give to hate today’s refugees
We all understand that facts are fungible to conservatives but they should be stated anyway.
Syrian Refugees Accepted by Nation
Turkey ………….. 2 million
Lebanon………….. 1 million
Jordan ………….. 1 million
Iraq ……………. 0.25 million
Egypt …………… 0.13 million
Kuwait ………….. 0.12 million
Germany …………. 100 thousand
Greece ………….. 88 thousand
Sweden ………….. 40 thousand
etc
The top six nations accepting the refugees are Middle Eastern nations, accommodating almost all of the refugees. In fact, almost all of the 4+ million refugees are in those six nations.
Let’s repeat that fact: Almost all of the Syrian refugees have been taken in by neighboring Middle Eastern nations. A few hundred thousand are seeking asylum in European nations.
Think how bad things would be if Turkey had built a wall!
Saturday morning links
Undaunted: Attended a charity event last night at which Dinesh D’Souza was the main speaker. A Christian social conservative, entertaining and forceful speaker. He noted that he has had a bumpy year or so (no kidding) and that he has a new d
jeff,
I don’t het your point. Both Nixon and Reagan made mistakes in handling of immigration. After all, no one is perfect. But I still think Nixon the greatest as he kept me out of Vietnam, remember, the 10 year war started by stupid liberals. And I will always appreciate Reagan and how he rescued the screwed up economy that Carter created. But I do agree with you, it is not healthy to accept people from the Middle East as their culture and values are so much different from us and they don’t understand democracy and are hide bound to a terrible religion. I am glad we see eye to eye there.
John,
Congratulations, once again you commented an made no sense at all. Would you please read and get an education. If you did, you would find that your saint, FDR, hated Jews and did everything possible to thwart them and deliver them to Hitler and his bunch. I suggest reading a book called “White Smoke”. This simply repeats statements made by the leaders back then and you find that the liberals were very much responsible for the cruel deaths. In fact, if you educated yourself, you might become a conservative, that is what usually happens.
No Davud. Nixon did not keep you out of Vietnam you kept yourself out and are not trying to come up with a good excuse as to why you did not act like a good conservative and join tight out of high school
FDR was not my saint don’t put words in my mouth
Who were you supporting in 1941 Hitler? FDR wanted to fight Hitler early conservatives like Henry Fird and your blonde haired saint Lindbergh
Should could have for dine more
Of course
But he did a lot more than you and your Nazi living right wing conservatives wanted
Liberals wanted war with Germany
Conservatives wanted to let Germany beat Russia and didn’t care how many Jews hurler killed
Try reading Trafing with the Enemy and you will see how Prescott Budh was almost indicted for continuing to do business with Nazi Grrmany after Pearl
And pls don’t even try that excuse for not going to Nam
FDR is one of the reasons why American Jews to this day vote 70% liberal Democrat
American Jews know what conservatives did to them for decades
“America was built by un-educated hard-working immigrants.” Then why do so many now go on assistance? And the early immigrants for the most part assimilated into our culture, unlike now. “Remember the KKK also hated immigrants..” You mean the KKK composed of southern Democrats? I thought so.
And what do “Prescott Budh”, “Henry Fird” and Lindbergh have to do with the post?
The KKK WAS made up of conservative Southern Democrats! What’s your point?
I suppose you don’t have evidence to support your claim that most immigrants are on assistance.
I suppose you don’t have evidence to support your claim that most immigrants “assimilate” differently now than in the past.
Much of what conservatives believe is not supported by evidence.
john,
Once again, you are showing yourself to be one hell of a loon. Your facts are backward and your conclusions are way off, please read.
That the KKK was founded by Democrats.
Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare
OK, we agree that conservative Southern Democrats founded the KKK in the 1860s. Back then, most Southern conservatives were Democrats. And it was the progressive Republicans who worked to preserve the US when the South seceded because of their dependence on slavery.
The Cato Institute, hardly a progressive organization, says CIS exaggerated immigrant welfare use as cited in your newspaper article.
http://www.cato.org/blog/center-immigration-studies-exaggerates-immigrant-welfare-use
Please learn to read. As I said, the point is that the KKK was founded by Democrats.
The two organizations disagree on the methodology.
Now as your initial dismissal of the point moved the goalposts, the actual initial point is not contrary to what CATO has found as well.
To refresh your mind, jl’s initial statement was “Then why do so many now go on assistance?”
You responded with “I suppose you don’t have evidence to support your claim that most immigrants are on assistance.”
A second grader knows there is a difference between “so many” and “most.” One must wonder why you would make such a change?
I suppose it is another example of your inability to read and understand what is actually being said.
And btw – CATO says many immigrants are on public assistance.
Yep, Southern conservative white men founded the KKK. Isn’t it fascinating that Southern conservative white men support the Republican Party now?
You know what, you’re right! jl did type that “many” used assistance! I was wrong! Of course, the citation you gave secondhand through USA Today was refuted by the Cato Institute.
Yep, Southern conservative white men founded the KKK. Isn’t it fascinating that Southern conservative white men support the Republican Party now?
You really have no grasp of history do you?
Republicans fought against slavery Jeffery while Democrats fought for it. Liberal democrats founded the KKK – not conservatives.
The CATO institute disagreed with the CIS study because of methodology. CATO did not “refute” the study which once again shows either you have a massive ignorance of the English language or are deliberately lying and being troll.
The bottom line is that you are were wrong and still are wrong.
I admitted I was wrong! Yet you still want to fight. You must be very lonely. We fully understand your “trollbuster” role – you must have a playbook – mock, ridicule, mock some more.
And then, you type…
So racist Southern white men were liberal in the 1860s? When did all the racist Southern white men become conservative?
Do you know the definitions of “liberal” and “conservative”?
We fully understand why Southern white conservatives are trying to hide their distant (and recent) past – slavery and lynchings were unimaginably horrific – and are working to re-write history.
How about in the 1960s? Were those Southern white men beating young Black people with axe handles also liberals? Were the murderers of Cheney, Schwerner and Goodman liberals? Are white supremacists liberal?
Do you really believe, as a Southern white conservative, that today’s Black people are not intelligent enough – not sophisticated enough – to understand whether liberalism or conservatism better addresses their concerns?
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