Liberals worship their talking points of diversity and multiculturalism, to the point that they feel a deep, abiding need to defend the indefensible. And they’ll do and say anything to defend it
Our Best Defense Against Terrorists
How we react to terrorism has become a measure of who we are, as individuals and as a society. It is not clear yet whether the heinous massacre in Nice, France, was the work of a “lone wolf†or a terrorist network, but in a way it doesn’t matter. Each new attack, each new convulsion of fear, horror, grief and anger is a progressively greater test of enlightened civilization’s commitment to its core values.
Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, the 31-year-old Tunisian who drove a truck through a festive nighttime crowd celebrating Bastille Day on Nice’s seaside promenade, may well have been avenging some personal grievance with the weapon closest at hand. Or it may emerge that ISIS or some other organized terrorists pushed him to this atrocity, targeting France — the country with the largest Muslim population in Europe and the strongest embrace of secularism — for the third time in 19 months.
But whoever struck the blow, whatever its malevolent purpose or toll, the response cannot be to abandon the respect for human rights, equality, reason and tolerance that is the aspiration of all democratic cultures. Though it has become almost a cliché to argue that the goal of terrorists is to bring their victims down to their moral level, it is also a truth, and it must be reaffirmed after every attack.
Got that? We need to tolerate these brutal people who want to essentially do two things: attack the infidel, and change Western society to conform with hardcore Islamic beliefs as expressed in the Koran. Some of those beliefs are specifically laid out in the Koran, some have been spun by the Islamists.
That is what the French prime minister, Manuel Valls, did in the wake of the assault. Warning France that it had to learn to live with terrorism, he declared that the only dignified response was for the French to remain faithful to the spirit of July 14, “which means a France brought together and united around its values.â€
Just learn to live with it, because it would be “against our core values” to restrict those with the hardcore Islamist beliefs access to our nation. I suggest that refugee camps be set up near the homes of the NY Times Editorial Board.
Should we just have learned to live with the Nazis and the Japanese empire?
Not surprisingly, the National Front, the right-wing party that thrives on aversion to Muslim immigrants, reacted disdainfully to these statements. “Spare us the indignation of the vultures of the main parties who let the wolves in to carry out this carnage,†declared Eric Domard, a senior adviser to the National Front leader Marine Le Pen.
Um, where are they wrong? France has long been a hotbed of Islamic extremism. Is it any surprise they have had so many attacks, not to mention all the violence, burning cars, and crime.
Apart from demonstrating Mr. Gingrich’s woeful ignorance of Shariah, his outrageous proposals would violate several Supreme Court rulings, constitutional amendments and laws barring discrimination on the basis of religion or restrictions of freedom of expression and belief. And in so doing, his ideas illustrated the greatest threat posed by terrorism: a descent into the lawless, hateful demagogy of those who despise the West and its values.
Interesting. If it was a hardcore Christian sect pushing to be able to practice their own rules and laws separate from US laws and rule, and pushing for the government to adopt these laws and rules, would the NY Times think the same? As for woeful ignorance of Sharia Law, are these the things the NY Times wants to tolerate?
- Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
- Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
- Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
- Criticizing or denying Allah, the god of Islam is punishable by death.
- A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
- A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
- A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
- A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
- Girls’ clitoris should be cut (Muhammad’s words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
That’s just a small list, and the link leads to many more links on Sharia Law.
As Mr. Valls and many others have warned, there will be more terrorist attacks. More innocent lives will be lost. There is no way that the police can track every vengeance-seeking potential killer or neutralize every weapon as commonplace as a truck. What threatened nations and their leaders can do is to firmly instill the idea that the only sure defense is to stay true to what democratic societies really stand for.
Would that be support of violating national security provisions, constant lying, and attempting to hide the work of government? The NY Times has supported Hillary Clinton, and surely wants her to be president. How about using the power of the federal government to intimidate private citizens and entities? The NY Times has supported Democrats who used the power of the government in instances such as the IRS targeting scandal, the AGs going after climate skeptics, and those who targeted supporters of Scott Walker, among others. The Times has been very supportive of Black Lives Matter, and railed at law enforcement.
What’s so democratic about letting in people who want to kill the infidel as well as get rid of Western democracy?
Westerners seem paralyzed to act against the State of Islam because they have convinced everyone that their government is not a government but rather a religion. Sorry, like a communist state is also their religion but it’s still a state.
You all need to read you some Islam to fully understand and appreciate what these barbarians mean by Islamic State. You know, the I S in ISIS. Jeffery seems unable to understand the difference between a religion and a religious state. That’s understandable since Jeffery is a fascist he already replaced religion with the state hence his desire for a more and more powerful state. Just like moslems.
Yet he fears some mythological theocracy imposed by Christians who could have built it right into the Constitution had that been their goal.
Read up on them, then talk.
WE’RE DOOMED! DOOMED, I SAY!
Aren’t these punishments and actions already contrary to US law?
Americans murder some 16,000 Americans a year, motivated by any number of reasons, but precious few committed by Muslims, even fewer driven by fundamental Islam. Can you find one example from your list above committed in the US?
Reading Leviticus in the christian bible might prompt one to conclude that christians should be “tested” as Newton proposes for Muslims.
Fortunately in the US, our secular society, our Constitution and our rule of law
drumpfstrumps most of the dangers from religious fundamentalism. We don’t punish people for cutting their hair, trimming their beards, piercing their ears, tattoos, wearing cotton-poly blends, planting tomatoes AND lettuce in their gardens, loving a member of their own sex, eating pork or shrimp, going to church a month or two after giving birth, adultery, sex with a menstruating woman, weekly biweekly or monthly paychecks, cursing gods (blasphemy), not leaving an unharvested border on your wheatfield, eating fruit within 4 years of planting, working on the Sabbath, mistreating foreigners, cursing your parents etc etcAs nations evolved from church-states to secular entities, most of the laws derived from religions were changed. Although most have been overturned, many US states still have “blue laws” preventing specific economic activities on the christian sabbath. For example, Missouri Statute, Section 578.120, RSMo, prohibits a dealer, distributor, or manufacturer from opening, operating, or assisting to keep open or operating any established place of business for the purpose of buying, selling, bartering, or exchanging any new or used motor vehicle on Sunday.
It’s unlikely we’ll legalize cutting off the hands of thieves.
They actually believe that hurricanes are controlled with legislation, but jihadi massacres are just random shit you need to cope with.
–David Burge
Keep sucking that ISIS cock, little guy.
Cocker man
You DO seem to enjoy saying ” suck that cock little man”
Is that something you enjoy seeing or thinking about ?
If so there are other blogs and boards where more people would be more aligned to that
Hoagie,
Almost all crimes in America – rapes, murders, assaults, fraud, robberies, burglaries, child abuse – are committed by men. Almost all terrorist acts worldwide are committed by males.
Most acts of political and government oppression come from actions of males.
Just about every cop killing an innocent is a male. Cop killers are male.
Maybe the problem isn’t Black, white, Christian or Muslim – maybe we have a problem with males. Why are men so violent? Why do we never talk about that?
When you say France has long been a hit bed of Islamic extremism Coukd you be more specific ?
Why/when did this begin?
How far back can you trace it ?
Might it have anything to do with the invasion and failed occupation of Iraq?
Might it have anything to do with giving billions to the most radical Islamists to fight “communism” in Afghanistan ?
What part do you see the USA having in the development of “radical Islam”
You DO seem to enjoy saying †suck that cock little manâ€
Uh no, it’s
Keep sucking that ISIS cock, little guy.
And I’ll hang around as long as Teach allows, thank you.
Somewhere, a monastery is missing a retard.
john,
cockboy has a fellatio fetish, for sure. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Don’t you have a grandson that keeps saying,
“No, grandpa. I don’t want to be assraped anymore”?
john,
Many self-loathing “down-low” conservatives (like cockboy) are very vocal (oral?) gay bashers. Our society will be improved when far-right gay men (like cockboy) feel free to step out of the closet without being ostracized by their hateful leaders.
It can be traced back to the invasion and rape of Gaul (France) in 711AD by the North African moslem commander Tariq ibn Ziyad. There have subsequently been highs and lows in the amount of moslem extremism but it is always wherever they are even if beneath the surface.
It “might” have something to do with a lot of things but it wasn’t. It’s got to do with the nature of the theocracy of islam to conquer and kill non moslems. Don’t blame Carter because the Russians invaded Afghanistan in 1979. He tried his best to fight them regardless of how much he spent.
Absolutely, positively none. Radical islam, as you call it, is actually practicing islam according to the koran. Anything less is apostasy. Islam means “submission” and you don’t get people to submit by opening up soup kitchens and charities or everybody would have “submitted” to Christianity a long time ago. You really need to read so you don’t sound so ignorant about islam. As a matter of fact, the moslems were the very first people to declare war on the United States as a new independent country. They were so crazy that Thomas Jefferson had to send a fleet over to teach them what’s up.
I love all the faux indignation from the lefties and their attempts at diagnosing projection. This from the band that couldn’t stop talking about tea-baggers and tea-bagging. Top it off with the complete denial that Islamic terrorism is a problem: that’s it, keep focusing on what bad guys “men” are (talk about self-loathing) and how the USA is really the problem (Good God, more self-loathing). You lefties are just fucking morons.
Hoss,
No one denies that Islamic terrorism is a problem. It’s a huge problem! But that doesn’t mean that Islam is a problem. It’s just another religion, like christianity. Even though almost every violent crime is committed by males, you don’t believe that all males are the problem, do you?
Hoss, Hoagie et al… If you were in charge, what policy changes would you make in America to make it “better”? Would you change abortion policies? Gay marriage? Gov’t support of religion? Prayer in school?
Islam is a cult and saying that it is not the principal issue is like saying that we should not condemn the Nazis when the bad guys were the SS. We have been at war with Islam since its founding around 500 AD as one of is main aspects is the subjugation of the world and all individuals being transformed into Muslims or killed. Now, Jeff or John will come up with some stupid comments about Christianity and Jewish tenants have similar aspirations. But those religions have evolved and they are not the ones killing innocent people for no reason. Until we decide that Islam is the problem and take it on, all one billion or more of them, then we will continue with problems. The more I read Jeff’s comments, the more I am convinced that he is a nut without an adequate logic stream. Comparing prayer in school (which I don’t care for) to a cult that has no problem with running a truck over children is beyond bizarre.
The NYT did bring up one thought. That is they mentioned human. Who is to say that the people that do these acts are human. I have over 40 years of observing primates and can tell you that not everyone standing on two feet with the capacity to talk is human.
Horseshit. As usual.
Islam is unique among religions in that it includes an order from God that Muslims should overthrow any government that is not compatible with Islam.
Is there any other religion that mandates overthrowing the government?
Uh, No!
So comparing Islam with Christianity or any other religion is utter nonsense.
Keep sucking that ISIS cock, little guy.
As said before, not all Nazis are bad, so let’s learn to live with the moderate ones. Said no one in WW2. Wait, did we win that one? Yes, I think we did
John-“What part do you see the USA having in the development of radical Islam? John, what part do you see, say, Belgium having in the development of radical Islam? I couldn’t think of any, either
But, why are they committing violent crimes? In the name of Males? This is what you are missing, Jeff, that these Islamists are committing their violence in the name of Allah, Mohamed, and the Koran. If there was an ever growing movement of Conservatives, say, 10%, that advocated violence and was committing violence in the name of Conservatism, would you be concerned? Of course you would, and you would blame all Conservatives. You know you would.
So why ignore the sector of Islam that is being radicalized? This sector stands foresquare against all your beliefs, yet you excuse them, and even defend them.
Once again Jeffery, your ignorance of the topic is overwhelming. Islam is in no way “just another religion”. Islam is a borderless state, a government, a society, a culture, a legal system and an economic system all controlled by a religion. It is a dictatorial theocracy, not “just another religion”. It calls for the overthrow and replacement of every single political system and religion on earth and their replacement with a caliphate.
No other major religion calls for the death of non believers, gays, lesbians, apostates, Jews, Christians, atheists, and adulterers. Islam and its accompanying government does all those things and more. It advocates the chattel of women, abuse of children, female genital mutilation and slavery. In short, it is the un-religion.
When you compare “most violent crime by males” it is a false comparison. First of all you don’t choose to be male. You do choose to be moslem. Secondly, individual people both male and female commit crimes, moslems who practice true islam act as a nation not individuals.
Teach,
As I’ve made clear time and time again, terrorists should be hanged by their balls until dead. I’d be happy for every ISIS, Al qaeda and Taliban to be scalded, skinned alive, shot between the eyes, hanged by the balls, and then shot again.
But few Muslims are terrorists or support terrorism. And we do still have a Constitution.
Hoss, Hoagie et al… If you were in charge, what policy changes would you make in America to make it “better� Would you change abortion policies? Gay marriage? Gov’t support of religion? Prayer in school?
According to research and polls approximately 10-20% of moslems are terrorists. That’s between 120 million and 240million. Does that sound like “few” to you?
Consider, for instance, that according to a 2015 Center for Security Policy poll, 51 percent of American Muslims desire that Islamic Shariah law be made the law of the land. Moreover, nearly 30 percent say that violence is appropriate against Americans who “insult†Islam or its “prophet†Muhammad.
Both Islam and the Quran, among many other such atrocities, explicitly require worldwide caliphate (global domination and the violent imposition of Islamic Shariah law). It treats women as chattel, stones them to death if they are raped (or not properly attired) and, in even the most “civilized†Islamic nations such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, executes practitioners of homosexuality as a matter of law.
These facts are not open for serious debate and are available for all to read, hear, see and, tragically, experience. Islam, therefore, is inherently at odds with freedom, democracy and the United States Constitution. While devout followers of Muhammad readily admit this reality, the suicidal left yet remains hellbent, head in the sand, on “tolerating†itself, and the rest of us, to death.
Writing last year investigative journalist Paul Sperry noted that “60 percent of Muslim-Americans under 30 … told Pew Research they’re more loyal to Islam than America.â€
And that type of insanely emotional and careless response in handing out punishments is the reason why fascists should never be in power. That’s precisely the crap they pull.
20% of American Muslims being terrorists means we have over 1 million terrorists here! Are you surprised that we’ve had so few terrorist attacks?
No one takes the Center for Security Policy seriously. You should look them up to see why.
Do you have several examples here in the US of A where fundamentalist Muslims have attacked those criticizing Islam?
The christianist equivalent of the Koran calls for killing adulterers, those who insult Yahweh, who curse or smite their parents or males who commit homosexual acts. Do you think god was wrong when he handed down those laws? Or do you advocate we execute these people? If not why not? The bible says we should.
Do you think American Muslims who are not killing infidels are disobedient, or just hiding their true intents.
Horseshit.
Again.
Keep sucking that ISIS cock, little guy.
Why do extremist christianists get so upset when their religion is mocked?
Hoagie,
What do you love more? God or America?
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Liberals like to say that just 1% of Muslims are the violent jihadi types. That means 16 million worldwide are willing to engage in jihad. Doesn’t seem like much in face of 6+ billion humans, but, it’s a pretty big number.
Furthermore, as Hoagie hits on, somewhere between 10-25% of Muslims are “radicalized”, meaning they are following the actual intent and words of Mohammed and the Koran. They want Sharia law, a world wide caliphate, etc and so on. They want to utterly eliminate everything you stand for, Jeff.