Should we not have questions about the health of a presidential candidate along with their fitness to serve? Liberals were very concerned about George Bush’s past alcoholism. With whether John McCain being born in the Panama Canal zone made him ineligible (and don’t forget the false story about him having an affair). With Mitt Romney’s school prank with a haircut, putting a dog on the car room, and “magic underwear.” Oh, and let’s not forget about Bob Doles infirmities. They were all very concerned with McCain’s age. And infirmity from being a POW.
But, now, any legitimate concern over Hillary’s health is Out Of Bounds! It’s also considered sexist. At The Hill, Joe Concha delves into this
Clinton health questions: Off limits or legitimate issue?
Hillary Clinton is 68 years old. She’s been diagnosed with cerebral venous thrombosis; head trauma, pregnancy, cancer, brain infection, autoimmune diseases and inborn clotting abnormalities are all predisposing factors, per The Washington Post. She’s currently taking blood thinners. Four years ago, Clinton fainted, hit her head and suffered a concussion.
She’s also the odds-on favorite to assume one of the most strenuous jobs on the planet as president of the United States.
But lately many in the media have become outraged that Clinton’s health is being broached at all. And what are the primary two words associated when Donald Trump, a Trump surrogate or conservative media bring up Clinton’s medical condition?
“Conspiracy theories.”
While, for the most part, these kinds of attacks are more of a low hanging fruit, the types of attacks that occur during political season – how many times has Team Hillary, Democrats in general, and the media speculated about the mental condition of Donald Trump? – and should not get in the way of actual policy discussions, it is legitimate to wonder whether a candidate could have severe health problems that interfere with their ability to do the job of POTUS. Much like questions on her use of an unsanctioned email server which featured national security violations, along with her pay-for-play schemes via the Clinton Foundation, are legitimate. Who is she serving? Herself? Or We The People?
Concha continues on for quite some time, and even provides links to stories from the Credentialed Media which were concerned with McCain’s age and past health problems. This same media demanded more and more of his health records, and even after he released over 1,100 pages, they wanted more. But, they were good with a 1 pager from Obama.
Her own staff has even said she is “easily confused.” She has had some serious health problems. She might have problems on stairs. She has a persistent cough. She seems to disappear from the campaign trail, and her staff has said she has problems with sleeping in. It’s altogether legitimate to wonder if she’s physically capable of doing the job.
Let’s also not forget that Hillary, her surrogates, and her PACs attacked Bernie Sanders on his age, and wanted all of his health records released.
Off limits? No way. As you mention, she used it against Bernie – it’s fair game to demand the same of her.
And seeing her lately, it sure as hell seems that something isn’t right.
There’s nothing wrong with questions about Clinton’s health, and she’s provided a letter from her doctor indicating she is in “excellent†health and “fit to serveâ€.
However, the right-wing echochamber has devolved into making sh!t up.
Zachriel, Per your link to the ever biased NY Times, her last physical was in 2015.
Since then she’s been seen with repeated coughing fits. She admitted herself that she recently “short-circuited” answering questions about her email server.
Reuters, hardly a right wind media organ, showed her needing help, on both arms, walking up stairs. As our host pointed out, her aid Huma Abedin stated in a 2013 email about Hillary “…. She’s often confused,”
Excellent health? Right.
Nobody is making anything up, Zachriel, they are observing her actions in public. Why is it any time a question is asked about your crooked candidate you freak out? Hillary! did take a fall, she did hit her head, she has taken time out of the spot light, she has needed help walking and climbing stairs and she has been seen relying on people around her for support. These are observations, speculation and questions.
She’s unfit for office for a whole lot of other questions other than her health like her honesty, her blatant corruption and cronyism an her propensity to lie, lie, lie.
Frankly, if she wins I am relying on her poor health to save the republic.
Oh, good, a letter. The media and Democrats demanded more and more from McCain on his health, as I noted, but are good with a letter regarding an older woman with a history of health issues over the past 10 years or so. Things like falling down, coughing, concussions, blood clots, double vision, thyroid, and all the meds she takes for many of the problems.
Are the theories about Parkinsons and other diseases perhaps a bit too much? Yes. But, why not release all her medical records, like was demanded of McCain?
Trump should do the same, but, then, there aren’t really concerns with his health. Still should release.
The personal attacks against her are not yielding positive results for the GOP
She is still far up in the polls and Trump seems likely to cost them their Senate control and any chance of Clinton putting her stamp on the SCOTUS.
HB2 is not popular even in NC.
William Teach: Oh, good, a letter.
The letter details her medical history.
Yes, Clinton has been known to cough. She also sleeps at night, something that seems to disturb Trump.
Trump: she’ll do an event, and then you don’t hear from her. I think she goes home, she goes to sleep. You do, you follow her, just follow where she goes, and you know, she’ll see, she’ll do an event, she’ll make a short speech off a teleprompter, and then she goes home and goes to sleep. I tell you, she is dangerous.
Um, you do realize people don’t actually short circuit? It was a turn of phrase.
She slipped wearing high heels on icy stairs.
She apparently worked late and had a early morning appointment. A lot of people take a while to wake up in the morning.
Do you really think that anyone will be convinced by this nonsense? Everyone saw her 11-hours of testimony before Congress. She was alert and capable. She is constantly on public display show vigor for someone her age. It’s just noise.
That’s because 1) They’re largely untrue. 2) They’re not relevant to the issues the U.S. faces.
However, the right-wing echochamber has devolved into making sh!t up.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
You mean like BUSH IS HITLER…CHENEY IS GOEBELLS?
Stuff Like that?
Zachriel….
She slipped wearing high heels on icy stairs.
Puleeeze. The only ones pushing that defense is media matters, paid apologists for Hillary.
Look at the picture. Do you see any ice anywhere? It’s a sunny day and the stairs are dry.
Hell, no one is even wearing a winter coat.
I’d say nice try but it wasn’t.
Of course her health should be off-limits, just like McCain’s was.
At what point did the Democratic candidate for president call his opponent “Hitler”?
People slip, Hank_M. Clinton is constantly in the public eye, and there’s no indication of any problem with her movements.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Z4_Z1ZTe0
Riiiiiiight.
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The leftists are OUTRAGED that because Hillary! appears sick people are saying she’s sick.
The leftists are OUTRAGED that because Hillary! appears to have traded favors for money people are saying she traded favors for money.
z,
Hillary is ill. There is no doubt about that fact. She has had seizures that have been caught on camera. She sustained a very severe injury to her head with a fall some years ago and it is reported that she developed clotting in the large vein that drains her brain, that is a very serious condition and has multiple ramifications, for one, it is commonly associated with adult onset hydrocephaly. She is currently taking Coumadin for that condition. She is also on thyroid medications, but not the type traditionally prescribed since the 60’s, why?. I can assure you that she also has coronary artery disease, several markers are apparent.
Then we have the fact that Hillary is a chronic liar, about any and everything. This is exceptionally bizarre activity and points to an underlying psychotic issue. I know that her temperament is also not normal. I have various people that have been in contact with this couple and behind closed doors and outside of the camera view, Hillary is a demon and yells, curses and demeans those around her, even the very men charged with keeping her alive. Her favorite name for her dear husband is “dickhead” which was commonly used in cabinet meetings when he was not doing what she desired (yes, she ran cabinet meetings). So every time she says something about Trump’s temperament, you can multiple that many times to apply to her.
Now, Hillary is crooked. There is no doubt about that. It seems to be ok with you and jeff and john, but at some point we have to say enough. Nothing about Trump rises to the level of the Clintons. If I am wrong about this, prove it. The FBI did not really investigate the issue and were stopped by DOJ. Otherwise, they would not have “asked” for her server but showed up and taken the thing. And that is another issue of lying, nothing she told Congress was true and was proven.
Hillary is corrupt. The Clintons were definitely into pay for play and that is beyond evident. We don’t know the extent as we are blocked from getting the information, again because of the corrupt current administration.
Now, if the three of you desire this ,fine, but don’t accuse others, like Nixon of being crooks and don’t try to convince the rest of us to participate in your delusion. Can Hillary beat Trump or any Republican? Sure, I have never seen the level of dishonest media in an election. We will have the usual Dems voter fraud (yes it happens, grow up). And then, the American people are really, really stupid and getting worse. Now, what are you going to do about the back lash that is going to occur if we continue in this regard? And don’t act like it is not coming. Trump has tapped into feels that people have had and have been pent up for decades. We are tired of the so called elite. There is little difference in the parties and certainly there is a good old boy network between the Clintons, Bushs and others that constitute what is fast becoming royalty.
At what point did the Democratic candidate for president call his opponent “Hitler�
Zbar:
Nice one. I saw how you did that….you went from the rightWING Echo chamber to the when did Hillary make such comments.
Do you seriously believe that people reading your posts are at the least bit swayed by your pathetic attempts at protecting Hillary’s tarnished reputation.
You said RIGHT WING ECHO CHAMBER….NOT DONALD TRUMP.
You don’t get to get away with bait and switch crap when dealing with me….I spent 8 years on debate teams from my freshmen year all the way thru college.
I no longer have the patience to listen to people like you parse verbage and bait and switch and confuse the issues.
1. Hillary is a liar.
2. Hillary is in poor health.
3. Hillary kept her husband after the cheating bastard pulled his big lewinski on her because she needed him to further her political ambitions.
4. Hillary was funnelling state secrets via her email server….treasonous offenses.
5. Hillary was/is and always will be the dumbest blond in the room.
Now present proof that none of this is true. Not a letter from her own PAID DOCTOR….NOT A COMMENT FROM HER OWN PAID DEMOCRATIC HEAD OF THE DOJ OR FBI….
Some real proof……OR
ALL OF THE ABOVE IS TRUE.
And stop with the bait and switch. Are you the Best the DNC can do nowadays….Kids who forgot how to do things that are hard because they have demanded everything be easy.
Seriously? Your it for the DNC?
LOLOLOLOLOLOL…if it wasnt so sad….I expected someone with real intelligence to be defending the Lying Politician with more ability.
Really I did.
Seriously. You have no idea how hilarious this is. You really think that is evidence of something? She’s 68 years old, and obviously standing on a tall pedestal of some sort. Of course they’re going to try to protect her from falling.
No, outside the right-wing echochamber, people are laughing at you.
There’s no evidence of that, and evidence to contradict it.
Only in the imagination of the right-wing echochamber.
“Reported” as in the letter provided by her doctor, which indicates the “total dissolution” of the transverse sinus venous thrombosis.
Some on the left use intemperate rhetoric. Some on the right use intemperate rhetoric. Bush was not Hitler, nor is Obama a Manchurian president.
The difference is that the right has developed a culture of acceptance of not only intemperate rhetoric, but believing things they want be true, even if not necessarily true. This is exemplified in the current Republican standard-bearer, Donald Trump.
All politicians shade the truth, but according to Politifact, Clinton does so less frequently than most politicians. When compared to Trump, well, there’s really no comparison.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jun/29/fact-checking-2016-clinton-trump/
There’s no evidence of that, and evidence to contradict it. Truthy.
They share many interests and ambitions, and they share a child. There are many reasons why they may have stayed together.
There’s certainly no evidence of treason, and career FBI investigators recommended against other charges related to handling of sensitive information.
Clinton is a highly intelligent wonk, like her husband.
Attention! The Radical Left Wing Eaco Chamber has spoken. All Hail the Mighty Zac. You aren’t stupid and you know you’re not convincing anybody so what is your goal? Because when you enumerate Hillary!’s failures it’s silly and makes you look silly. If you can’t admit she’s a crook nothing you say can be taken as true. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. And if for some reason just admitting she appears ill makes you legally blind then all your cred is gone.
Yoda wants ya Zac:
http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/4144/6721/original.jpg?w=800&h
Some on the left use intemperate rhetoric. Some on the right use intemperate rhetoric. Bush was not Hitler, nor is Obama a Manchurian president.
PROOF or it didn’t happen.
You saying it does not make it so…
Seriously Zach….how much do you get paid to Post for the DNC? Perhaps I should quit my day job and become an Operative for the Democrats….Hell I can lie with the best of them………
Pay me enough money and I will believe all the horse shit I’m told to shovel……
Your line by line refutation does nothing to assuage the peoples beliefs that Hillary is a liar, crook and thief. She is guilty of treason and the facts that she is not in jail sways very few opinions.
Even her own party is MUM….she is on her own….well except for paid operatives like you assigned to blogs to villify and nullify any negatives. You see this every 4 years from the Democrats……It started in 2007 with Obama who saw the strength of the internet and his operatives rolled up their sleeves and went to work on every blog round the clock.
How much are you getting paid again…..Im really good, Im sure I could make a fine Hillary supporter with the rich amount of money being thrown at me.
She is guilty of treason
Poll question: Is Bush guilty of treason?…..YES! As is Rumsfeld and the rest of the criminals in this adminstration. Hopefully one day they will be charged.
Source Democratic Underground.
Debate.org
I completely concur with the previous statments.George Bush is a crminal of the highest he should hang by the neck.
and more…..
“Failing to warn the citizens of a looming weapon of mass destruction — and that’s what global warming is — in order to protect oil company profits, well that fits for me the definition of treason.” Maher nefariously concluded
I could go on and on and on….with Bush is Hitler….Bush is guilty of treason….Bush should be hanged…….
MY, MY. What a wicked web we weave when first we practice to deceive……Keep weaving that WEB there ZACH….Im sure soon enough you will have one more lying, cheating, stealing, treasonous politican inhabiting the White House.
I Think Ill write in Bernie Sanders….he may be a socialist but I havent found any dirt on the guy….may be the only guy in D.C who has some integrity.
The desperation on the right is palpable. Don’t blame others for your own mistake – Trump.
It’s touching that the far, far right is so concerned for Secretary Clinton’s well-being, although we know more about Secretary Clinton’s health than we do of the 70 year old Trump’s.
There is no reliable information concerning the 70 year old Trump’s health.
He released an obviously faked letter claiming his “his physical strength and stamina are extraordinary” LOLOLOLOLOL.
“If he’s elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency.” LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Sounds as if the 70 year old Trump wrote it, although if he had, he would have bragged about his penis.
So actually we know very little about Trump’s physical and mental health, other than what we observe of his erratic behavior.
Here’s Dr. Harold Bornstein, Trump’s doctor, who signed the letter Trump allegedly wrote.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2467155.1450231863!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/doctor16n-3-web.jpg
Dr. Bornstein has made other false assertions as well, e.g., exaggerating his credentials.
@Jeffery
You mean similar to the letter about Clinton’s health…..or the FACTs that a Democratic appointed DOJ and FBI director failed to indict or bring charges against a Democrat……you mean like that.
Indeed Nancy Pelosi said it correctly when she called the place a cesspool…..she certainly had a moment of honesty there.
You forgot to address the topic.
Proof of what happened? That some on the left and right use intemperate language? Isn’t that patently obvious? Or that Bush was not Hitler? Really, we don’t know what you’re asking.
We deal in evidence, not truthiness. Unless new evidence comes to light, there’s nothing to indicate an indictable offense, much less treason.
Some on the left and on the right use intemperate language. For instance, on this very blog, Clinton has been accused of treason, demonstrating the accuser’s ignorance of facts and law.
Um, no. They were foolish, narrow-minded ideologues, not treasonous.
Liam Thomas: You mean similar to the letter about Clinton’s health
Clinton’s doctor provided many specifics, and refrained from commenting on the health of George Washington and Teddy Roosevelt.
At least he didn’t brag about the size of Trump’s “hands”.
Uh huh…
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2016/08/hillary-state-dept-helped-jailed-clinton-foundation-donor-get-10-mil-u-s-failed-haiti-project/
Classic hobnobbing story. There’s no evidence of illegal activity, much less treason.
“When I tell someone they’re positive for gonorrhea — they’re not happy.”
ZACH…..I got to know….do you have a time card you punch?
I mean every day you show up at the same time and LINE BY LINE REFUTE ANYTHING NEGATIVELY SAID ABOUT HER LOWNESS HILLARY(LYING DOG)CLINTON.
So surely they have you punching a time card right?
How much does it pay……Tell your bosses for the right amount of money Ill Hobnob with you and the Clintons and pretend her shit dont stink and her health is just fine…..Hell I can shovel it with the best of them.
Really, we don’t know what you’re asking.
I knew it….you punched a time clock and are sitting in a room full of DNC hacks responding to every negative thrown at hillary…….lolol
The COLLECTIVE W E. We dont know what your asking.
Im asking for proof to all the things your rebutting….
You say career FBI agents….you mean those guys who will lose their jobs if they rock the boat? THose guys threatened to be unemployed if they say Hillary should be indicted…….you mean those guys?
We all know the left is above the law and will go to any lengths to kill…I mean stop people from saying anything negative about them….and the press does not care.
So ZACH really….how much do WE get paid a week…..I can fill in for you if the price is right.
“When I tell someone they’re positive for gonorrhea — they’re not happy.â€
Oh seriously Zach….now you’ve went and done it….you just could not go more then a day before slipping off the politically correct wagon and falling into the cesspool you defend so staunchly.
Your quoting a OB/GYN Doctor Interviewed by CNN….or the CLINTON NEWS NETWORK and in ambiguous glory suggesting Trump has or had A Venereal Disease.
LOLOLOLOL….the Cesspool is reaching your chin there ZACH….Im so disappointed in you….and here I thought we could work together and be honest and all.
Let’s also not forget that Hillary, her surrogates, and her PACs attacked Bernie Sanders on his age, and wanted all of his health records released.
Let us also not forget that Bernie Sanders and his followers are going to do one of three things….
1. Vote for Hillary.
2. Vote for the Green Party.
3. Vote for Trump
4. Stay Home
Got you with the three things didnt I?
SAUL ALINSKY TRUMP……..SAUL ALINSKY HER SORRY BEHIND……
HIT HER FROM ALL SIDES>>>>NEVER LET UP>>>WHEN SHE FIGURES OUT ONE THING HIT HER WITH 10 OTHER THINGS….NEVER LET UP…never relent….never stop….
Keep her defending…..ignore her attacks on you….totally ignore them and keep the attack and pressure on her…non stop.
It will work….and when you think its being effective then Cloward and Piven her sickly behind…….
Overload her with attacks from all sides….go back to her college days and make her defend her thesis on Saul Alinsky…..
LOLOL…gawd she is such a weak candidate.
There are many valid criticisms of Hillary Clinton. You might try to make those.
So you are reduced to claiming — without evidence — that the FBI is corrupted.
No one is suggesting Trump has a venereal disease. Generally speaking, a positive result means a health problem, so it is odd for a qualified doctor to use it in the opposite sense. If he were tested for diabetes or high blood pressure or cancer, a positive result would mean he has diabetes or high blood pressure or cancer.
That, combined with the ridiculous and unsupportable claim that Trump “will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency,” along with the use of superlatives such as “astonishingly excellent” and “extraordinary” in relation to his health makes it seems as though Trump dictated the letter. At the very least, the letter is highly suspect.
Less than 24 hours after the OPIC official submitted the recommendation, the news report says, OPIC approved Osorio’s $10 million loan to build homes in earthquake-ravaged Haiti. Not one was ever built and no one has been held accountable for giving the crooked businessman millions of taxpayer dollars.
Hobnobbing indeed.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2016/08/hillary-state-dept-helped-jailed-clinton-foundation-donor-get-10-mil-u-s-failed-haiti-project/
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-to-be-questioned-under-oath-on-origins-of-email-server/article/2600083
1st question – yes /no : do you have Alzheimers?
And Jeb Bush was a consultant for Innovida. So? It shows the often too close relationship of money and politics. If that were your argument, you could probably make the case. Otherwise, what is there to say but Welcome to America!
Nice deflection there y’all.
Hillary was SoS, not Jeb, and consequently responsible for this quid pro quo.
It shows how money and access work.
Who is hand waving now?
It’s entirely relevant to how the system works. Rich and connected people have access to powerful government officials.
So you are reduced to claiming — without evidence — that the FBI is corrupted.
And you have evidence that they are the picture of perfection? Let me see that please. I did not say the FBI is corrupt I said that these agents were probably most certainly coerced to be silent as for the head of the FBI…well one can only imagine what kind of cush job he lands with the Clintons once she is in the White House….prove me wrong….it happens every day in law enforcement….in fact didnt the Police commisioner just fire a bunch of officers for a cover up over the death of a black boy>?
It’s entirely relevant to how the system works. Rich and connected people have access to powerful government officials.
BUT THIS IS ENTIRELY WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY RAILS AGAINST….yet your pet candidate is a prime example of what the LEFT HATES….sorta makes you wonder how to defend this elderly sick lady doesnt it?>
No one is suggesting Trump has a venereal disease. Generally speaking, a positive result means a health problem, so it is odd for a qualified doctor to use it in the opposite sense. If he were tested for diabetes or high blood pressure or cancer, a positive result would mean he has diabetes or high blood pressure or cancer.
Well every doctor will tell you that senile old women can’t remember what they did with the password to their email servers so they usually give them to trusted people…..You know like the Russian mafia…
Wait! What? oh no I didn’t. I didnt mean that actually it just slipped out….
We all know and love and respect senile old women who cant be trusted with state secrets…….
THAT IS WHY WE DONT GIVE THEM ANY!!!!………..lololololololol
We never made that claim.
And your evidence, other than you disagree with their decision against indictment?
Sure, but you overreach when you claim a crime has been committed, even though career FBI investigators recommended against indictment. If you were to argue there is too close a connection between money and political power, well, then you could certainly make such a case. But to change that you have to change the system through regulation.
z,
The FBI did not conduct a typical investigation. They ignored a large number of angles and Comey’s statement clearly shows a double standard. It is beyond clear that the DOJ suppressed the investigation. The average American would have been put through much worse than Hillary and the case should have been referred to the grand jury so the people could assess the situation, as is normal procedure. Remember, Gruber said the ACA was passed because Americans are stupid, he was not talking about conservatives. It is people like you that are allowing the Clintons to get away with blatant criminal and unethical activity and not calling for adequate appraisal of there actions. Why is that Z? What is so special about the Clintons that you will compromise yourself and your beliefs for them, and don’t say all politicians do it, that is beyond stupid?
By the way, we have not even touched Hillary’s incompetence. She was horrible as head of State and is personally responsible for the mess we are in in the Middle East and Russia.
No. It was clearly far more extensive than most such investigations.
@Zach
So you are content to defend the system which most certainly gives off appearances of meddling as in Clinton hopping on board the plane of the DOJ head and then the DOJ head says no charges to be filed.
You are an enabler.
We do not need regulations to regulate political behavior…. typical leftist thinking CHANTING MUST HAVE MORE REGULATIONS!
How do you propose to do that. Is this the same type of implied promise Obama made in having the most transparent administration in history.
Incidently anyone notice Obama is at 51 percent approval. Wonder why? BECAUSE the left learned that doing anything is toxic….doing nothing keeps them in power……sad.
Y’all are hand-waving again.
Over 15,000 newly released emails have been released since the “extensive” FBI “investigations” was closed.
>And your evidence, other than you disagree with their decision against indictment?
Sources used in an investigative piece done by C B FUKING S. Not fox news.
“Director Comey seems to have taken on responsibilities far beyond the FBI’s purview—he assumed the duties of the Agent, US Attorney and Grand Jury.â€
“Many people at the FBI are outraged, but cannot speak out,†one insider told me,†Attkisson writes.
“It appears no Grand Jury was empaneled for this investigation. This is absurd, Grand Juries are used in nearly all criminal investigations.â€
Attkisson: “During his Congressional testimony, Comey indicated he didn’t look into Clinton’s false statements. He said he needed an additional ‘referral’ or formal request [from Congress] for the FBI to investigate whether she committed perjury under oath to Congress. ‘This makes no sense,’ said a career agent. ‘It is normal practice that if you came upon evidence of a crime different than the one you were originally investigating, it was fair game.’â€