The Hill’s Rafael Bernard reports on a little measure that is going nowhere, but, it is very interesting to see why from the Democrat point of view
Dreamers-for-wall trade going nowhere in House
A deal to reopen the government by trading border wall funding for immigration benefits for so-called Dreamers doesn’t stand a chance in the House, according to legislators on both sides of the aisle.
House Democrats say they don’t trust President Trump to keep his end of any bargain, and are wary of negotiating a deal that could benefit those in the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program while throwing other undocumented immigrants under the bus.
Got that? They’ve been yammering about these Dreamers for a long time, caterwauling about helping them, yet, are unwilling to help these kids who were “brought to the U.S. through no fault of their own so they shouldn’t be punished” because it would mean implementing measures that would make it a lot more difficult for foreign nationals from crossing the border illegally. They would prefer open borders over helping the so-called Dreamers.
And, really, they wouldn’t even be giving Trump a wall
That bill would have granted a path to citizenship to Dreamers both within and outside DACA in exchange for technological and manpower investments in border security, but no wall construction.
The Hurd-Aguilar bill, which lacked the support of GOP leadership, never made it to the floor.
Aguilar ruled out even preliminary cross-aisle negotiations while the partial government shutdown is in effect.
“If Republicans want to have conversations, we’re always happy to, and you know that I will continue to have conversations with Republicans about a long-term solution to this. But we can’t negotiate while the government is shut down, period,” he said.
From the point of view of Trump and most in the GOP this would have been a non-starter as there is no money for the wall. Further, this would have given upwards of 800,000 illegal alien kids eligible for DACA a pathway to citizenship, would have allowed their parents who committed the sin of bringing them illegal to stay, and allowed them to bring in many more relatives. What Democrats would get would outweigh what the GOP would get by a factor of, what, 100-1?
But the fact that this bill, which would give Democrats tons more benefits than the GOP would get, that would provide almost meaningless border security methods, is going nowhere with Democrats shows that they really do not want to Do Something about Dreamers, that they just want to have an issue to thunder about on the floors of the House and Senate, as well as in front of cameras.
Further, they are sticking with the plan of refusing to talk about securing our southern border (and, yes, we do need to do something about the 45% of illegals who overstayed their visas), which is a duty given them in the Constitution, until such time as the GOP and President Trump give them everything they want. And we know that Democrats will refuse to discuss it once government is re-opened.
If Democrats do not want a wall, here’s an easy solution: the minute someone is caught crossing the border illegally they are put back on the other side. Period. No hearings, no long processes, we caught you, bye. Then a wall wouldn’t be that necessary.
The left HATES AMERICAN CITIZENS. They HATE America. This is the result of having a doctrine which calls for the abolishment of borders so they can turn American into a shit hole like All of South and Central America. Including the drug lord owned and operated Mexico and central America.
But who really believes this in the democratic party. A policy so dire for the future of America that I am actually surprised the Democrats have not lost at least half of their voters. I suppose it is because the communist agenda now taught in schools and colleges have so brainwashed their own that they fail to grasp what has happened to them.
Yes on paper Socialsim/communism is great. On paper. In reality it becomes a rocky horror picture show only at the end of two hours you cant turn it off. This Philosophy is driven by George Soros who is a communist bent on the destruction of America.
Those in the democratic party with a brain cell still functioning need to leave their party and never vote for a democrat again.
Listen leftists. It does not matter if you vote for YOUR GUY IN YOUR DISTRICT. ONCE HE GETS TO DC HE VOTES HOW THEY TELL HIM TO VOTE…….ignoring his promises and pleas. So many democrats said they would never vote for PELOSI. It was their promise. Only 15 did. the other 30 or so yeah well they caved DAY ONE and are now tin soldiers for the communist left in DC.
Don’t believe a word they tell you in campaign speeches. Even if they say we will vote for a border wall. THEY WONT. Even if they say we will find new leadership. THEY WONT. on and on it goes. The left is communist now. I suggest those on the left read up on communism and socialism before they get all excited.
And stop looking to Europe. They are not socialist. Socialism died with the advent of the EU. Replaced with a fascist authoritarian state. That is America in 10-20 years if you keep enabling your leftist lunatics.
The latest proof comes in a New York Times report that the FBI initiated an investigation in May of 2017 into whether President Donald Trump was serving as a covert Russian agent. The accusation itself was ludicrous on its face. But from a legal standpoint, the FBI’s probe constituted an egregious abuse of power. The Bureau had no probable cause, no evidence, and no reasonable suspicions. They investigated Trump because they could. They defied the law, ignored or perverted facts, and debased the integrity of a heretofore-respected law enforcement agency.
One of the stated goals of the communists back in the 60’s was the demise the of United States without firing a shot. How? by infiltrating and taking over schools, universities the press and government agencies.
No further proof of this is needed then the actions of the FBI, NSA and CIA as they perform illegal acts against their own citizens while exonerating those guilty of treasonable offenses because those people toe the party line.
It is why the left so desperately wants YOU to give up your GUNS. They are communists waiting in the wings for a coup but it will be a massive bloodletting with nearly every American armed. So instead they have taken the long route and just taken over America from within.
The left is not the resistance. WE ARE THE RESISTANCE. And no I do not mean violence and rebellion, I mean we must fight for America and what it used to stand for minus the bad such as racism and anti-woman.
The left is not the resistance. They are the problem despite the fact 70 percent of democrats dont realize they are the problem.
It’s a false dichotomy to promote that America only has two choices: A 30 or 50 or 70 ft concrete wall vs open borders.
There are options between the two extremes.
Dems have consistently supported border security, just not The Wall (which is a silly campaign promise). Dems have consistently supported comprehensive immigration reform (border security, ports of entry security, Visa checks, DACA, those unlawfully present), just not The Wall.
Jeff,
You are not only stupid, but a list as well.
Dave, once again the damn auto-correct misspelled “shithead”…
I never have seen someone as stupid as this guy and so willing to show the world. Almost as bad as occasional cortex.
Jethro stated, incorrectly: “Dems have consistently supported border security, just not The Wall (which is a silly campaign promise). Dems have consistently supported comprehensive immigration reform (border security, ports of entry security, Visa checks, DACA, those unlawfully present), just not The Wall.”
TheSecure Fence Act was introduced on Sept. 13, 2006, by Rep Peter King (R-NY) and passed Congress on a bi-partisan basis. In the House of Representatives, the Fence Act passed 283 -138 on September 14, 2006. On September 29, 2006, the Fence Act passed in the Senate 80 -19.
Out of the eighty senators in total who voted in favor of the secure fence act, twenty-six (out of the forty-four) Democrats voted in favor of the bill (one, Ted Kennedy did not vote). A dozen years later some of those Democratic Senators are still serving in the upper body (Sherrod Brown was in the house, but is now in the Senate) they include;
Sherrod Brown (OH)
Thomas Carper (DE)
Diane Feinstein (CA)
Bill Nelson (FL)
Chuck Schumer (NY)
Debbie Stabenow (MI)
Ron Wyden (OR)
Other notable Democrats who supported the bill in the Senate were Senator Joe Biden, Senator Hillary Clinton, Senator Harry Reid, and Senator Barack Obama.
The secure fence act law stated in part:
Not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall take all actions the Secretary determines necessary and appropriate to achieve and maintain operational control over the entire international land and maritime borders of the United States, to include the following–
(1) systematic surveillance of the international land and maritime borders of the United States through more effective use of personnel and technology, such as unmanned aerial vehicles, ground-based sensors, satellites, radar coverage, and cameras; and (2) physical infrastructure enhancements to prevent unlawful entry by aliens into the United States and facilitate access to the international land and maritime borders by United States Customs and Border Protection, such as additional checkpoints, all-weather access roads, and vehicle barriers. (b) Operational Control Defined.–In this section, the term “operational control†means the prevention of all unlawful entries into the United States, including entries by terrorists, other unlawful aliens, instruments of terrorism, narcotics, and other contraband.
The primary goal of the Secure Fence Act of 2006 was to help secure America’s borders to decrease illegal entry, drug trafficking, and security threats by building 700 miles (1,100 km) of physical barriers along the Mexico-United States border. Later in the text of the bill, it specifies what was supposed to be built: a double-layered fence with barbed wire on top and room for a security vehicle to patrol between the layers. Not bad right?
So what happened that made the Democrats change their collective minds? Trump happened. Specifically, after Trumps staggering victory the Democrat party went so far left that any suggestion for any policy made by Trump is unacceptable regardless of it’s common sense, it’s merits or it’s cost. They even file their nails in defiance of the deaths of Americans at the hands of illegal aliens. That’s not cool.
Also Jethro, open borders and a wall are not “two extremes”. They are two options of which the left prefers the former.
I would like to praise this post of yours for being a rational statement not full of the condescending hubris we have come to expect from our opposition. If you keep posting reasonably like this people may mistake you for an independent. (that’s a joke, Jethro)
We understand that tRump and his legionnaires want the world to think tRump is great – that opposition to building The Wall is only because of opposition to tRump. That’s just not true. Opposition to The Wall is inherent – we’ve never built one there – under either Dem or GOP leadership. It’s a dumb idea. tRump called for The Wall to gin up his base, making the calculation (correct as it turned out) that white resentment could win him votes.
Rightists support The Wall because they support tRump, not because they think it’s a solution. Anyone who truly believes The Wall is an answer to our immigration issues is not being thoughtful. Has there been a detailed analysis by experts about the best way to stop drugs, illegal border crossers, terrorists, renegade roofers and gangsters from entering and staying in the US? Did they conclude that The Wall was the best answer?
The Wall is a political symbol and was a campaign tool. A Chicken in Every Pot! The GOP needs to help tRump find a way to save face with his legions.
Jethro, so regardless of the facts about Democrats previously supporting a wall, before the left changed it to “THE WALL” you maintain they did not? Well, sorry fella but they did and you know they did.
Nowhere did I, the white supremacists, the KKK, the DAR or anybody else proclaim “THE WALL was the best answer”. We stated a wall was the beginning of a good and proper response but nowhere did we say “Build THE WALL and then just walk away cause the rest will heal itself”.
Historically walls are excellent obstacles and deterrents for either keeping people in or out. That’s why you have them on your house, Jethro.
You ask:”Has there been a detailed analysis by experts about the best way to stop drugs, illegal border crossers, terrorists, renegade roofers and gangsters from entering and staying in the US? Did they conclude that The Wall was the best answer?” Yes, in a manner the border patrol has concluded a wall is good and I assume they’re “experts”. So has ICE, many objective law officers and elected officials who actually deal with illegals have also. You choose to believe hackneyed politicians who are not personally involved with nor affected by illegal aliens rather than consider the opinions of those of us who actually deal with the destruction and death brought on by people who shouldn’t even be here to begin with.
Walls work all around the world including Israel. The year before they built a wall to keep out Palistinian terrorists they ha crossed the border and murdered 487 Israelis. The year it was built only 7 were killed. Does that show walls work? In conjunction with stern security and the willingness to enforce the law a resounding: yes! Not by themselves.
You say: “Opposition to The Wall is inherent – we’ve never built one there – under either Dem or GOP leadership” and I just showed you that’s not true. There are parts and stretches of wall and fence all along the border just not one continuous autonomous wall.
Build it for the children who are dying because we have no wall.
Jeff,
You have been told to get some education. Once again you come out with very stupid statements. There is a wall on our southern boarder. It is partial, but even that works. As to experts, all border patrol folks desire the wall and there are papers and studies, look it up. Now, I don’t mind a wall between us and Canada and even California, but the main problem is the southern border. You are not bright, keep repeating that.
The opposition to the wall is because the party of stupid is now the party of criminals thugs and liars. Especially when Californians learned that their state was burning to the ground their reps were in Hawaii on vacation Partying. AWESOME.
Stupid is the new GREEN for the Democrats. They are so stupid that they have outlawed IQ tests for the democrats. It is assumed that if glasses correct their cross eyes syndrome they are capable of making decisions.
Meanwhile freshman democrats waltz into the chamber of the house with 6 packs of beer wondering where the Capital distillery is located.
Hello my name is Nancy Pelosi but you can call me STUPID. The new Democratic slogan (Senseless Thugs Upset Pelosi Is Deranged) Her best bud in the senate is sharpening his pitchfork as they coddle to the hillbillies who have just the right IQ to run for the new Democratic party.
Why worry about the “shutdown” when you can party on the taxpayers’ dime.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/30-democrats-head-to-puerto-rico-for-weekend-trip-as-shutdown-continues_2765094.html
I really wish these leftists could love America more than they hate Trump.