Iran is the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism, particularly against Israel (which Democrats hate) and America (which Democrats hate). Democrats have to back Iran, after Obama did the horrendous Iran deal, and because they have a kneejerk reaction to oppose everything Trump
Trump designates elite Iranian military force as a terrorist organization
President Donald Trump announced Monday the US will formally designate Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps as a Foreign Terrorist Organization, a move some in the administration had opposed over concerns about potential risks to US troops in the Middle East.
The step “recognizes the reality that Iran is not only a State Sponsor of Terrorism, but that the IRGC actively participates in, finances, and promotes terrorism as a tool of statecraft,” Trump said in a statement that described the IRGC as “the Iranian government’s primary means of directing and implementing its global terrorist campaign.”
Administration officials said the move is a response to Iran’s destabilizing behavior across the Middle East, including support for the regime in Syria, Houthi rebels in Yemen and Hezbollah in Lebanon, as well as for assassination plots in Europe and the US.
The announcement aims to drive a stake through the heart of a central institution in Iran. Formed after the Islamic revolution in 1979, the IRGC is not only Iran’s most powerful military institution, it holds deep influence over domestic politics and the economy, with interests extending to and beyond the construction, telecommunications, auto and energy industries.
So, of course, the Washington Post “analyzes” (meaning some opinion) this, and finds it to be problematic
“This so-called ‘maximum pressure’ strategy demonstrates that not a lot of thought was given about the complexities involved in the designation, such as the fact that the IRGC is not a monolith and is also made up of conscripts who have no choice but to serve,†Holly Dagres, a nonresident fellow at the Atlantic Council, said to Today’s WorldView. She added that this was part of the reason the national security establishment in Washington long resisted making the move.
The White House’s targeting of Iran also betrays its deep ideological animus toward Tehran. It has entertained no similar measures for the military intelligence services in Pakistan or the Persian Gulf monarchies, which, at various points have maintained their own networks of support for a host of extremist groups with blood on their hands. Jacob Heilbrunn, editor of the National Interest, argued that the latest decisionwas “championed by the lurid duo of John Bolton and Mike Pompeo†— Trump’s national security adviser and secretary of state, respectively — neoconservatives who are leading the president “willy-nilly, to a fresh conflict in the Middle East.â€
That’s a point that the more unhinged are making all over Twitter, that Trump and Pompeo want to start a war with Iran. Let’s face it, if Trump said he was removing all sanctions against Iran and reaching out to do a big deal, the #Resistance and #NeverTrumpers would find a problem with that
At minimum, the U.S. designation forecloses the remote prospect of rapprochement between the Trump administration and the Islamic Republic, goads the Iranians into taking provocative action, and would make returning to the nuclear deal — something some Democrats have vowed to do should they win in 2020 — a more complicated and difficult exercise.
Question: why would we want rapprochement with Iran, when the government leads chants of “Death To America” and sponsors terrorism against our citizens? Right, right, TDS.
Trump hasn't decided who he will go to war with. Distract from investigation. Dangerous person.
— Jane (@caterini_jane) April 8, 2019
Oh, hey, we have a “distraction” call! Many are also thinking that this is Trump assisting Netanyahu, they just don’t say how.
“Iran is the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism, particularly against Israel (which Democrats hate) and America (which Democrats hate).”
Porter Good is off to a good start today, managing two lies in the very first sentence of the first post of the day. Huzzah!
“Question: why would we want rapprochement with Iran”
Question: Why is Porter Good eager — nay, drooling — to go to war with Iran?
Israeli dictates our policies and actions in the Middle East, so if you want to know why we do something in Turkey or Iran or Syria, you should ask Netanyahu. His successor will have the same control, but his policies might differ.
Mr Sykes.
This is just old fashioned Jew-hating. There is no evidence that the USA has ever done anything contrary to our own interests in favor of something Israel wanted. Zero. If you look at the results carefully, you will see that it seems more like Saudi Arabia is pulling our strings than Israel. The only exception was during the Obama administration when our government went out of their way to coddle Iran instead.
“This is just old fashioned Jew-hating.”
This is just good old fashioned bullshÃt. Criticizing the policies of Israel is not the same thing as being an anti-Semite. Raving wingnuts like Hale use this tactic to shut down any discussion of Israeli policies, or the relationship between Israel and the United States.
“Criticizing the policies of Israel is not the same thing as being an anti-Semite.”
You weren’t criticizing the policies of Israel. If you were, I would call it fair game. You weren’t even claiming that Israel has undue influence on the US Congress. That would also be fair game. You made the claim that “Israel dictates our policies and actions in the middle east”. That is observably not true but is repeated over and over by the same people who think Jews secretly run the world. This is a universal belief among Islamic groups and anti-Semitic groups. Pointing out that you are using a classic anti-Semitic argument is not saying you are anti-Semitic. I only make the point to tell you that you should know better than to fall into that trap. Now that you have been told, if you keep making that argument, then I know what your real intent is.
My previous response is the exact opposite of what “shutting down the discussion” looks like. For an example of shutting down the discussion, see how I treat Jeff.
“You made the claim that “Israel dictates our policies and actions in the middle eastâ€.”
“Professor” Hale is a liar.
I made no such statement.
I do hope he keeps lying. It’s so much easier to discredit a half-witted wingnut when said wingnut eagerly cooperates in the venture.
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Actually “Bill”, I was just wrong. I thought I was responding to Sykes, since it looks ridiculous for someone else to be jumping into a conversation that didn’t involve them. I will be more careful next time. The continued name calling simply reinforces why you aren’t worth engaging.
“Question: why would we want rapprochement with Iranâ€
Definition: Definition of rapprochement: establishment of or state of having cordial relations.
So the OP asks why we would want to have HARMONIOUS relationships with IRAN. That in no way says we want to go to war with IRAN. In fact TRUMP has been trying to get us out of IRAQ, SYRIA and AFGHANISTAN and the left and Industrial complex is having a cow.
WHY is it you support a party who is now in favor of STAYING IN SYRIA and AFGHANISTAN and IRAQ when just a few short years ago we were evil criminals for being there?
The Campaign believes a war with Iran will help Trump 2020. After all invading Iraq worked for Bush 2004.
First they’ll turn Iran into the “greatest threat” America has ever faced, not that Trump has neutered North Korea. And you certainly don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud! After all, OBAMA! insured that his compatriots in Iran would create a nuke.
Wrong. Trump wanted to pull out of SYRIA. The left and the MSM and the right loons lost their collective shit.
Trump wants to pull out of Afghanistan. A war we have waged for 17 years. The pentagon and the left are opposed of course.
Why? Because it is the resistance. Anti-war is the lefts mantra. Pulling out of WARS would look very bad for the left if the RIGHT accomplished what Obama in 8 years could not. Why? Because he is a corporatist hack bought and paid for by the Military Industrial complex as well as Wall Street bankers.
So too is HRC and every other Dem candidate with the possible exception of Bernie Sanders who will never fly for the DEMS because he is an ANGRY WHITE MAN.
Iran has been literally at war with the USA since 1979. We are simply big enough and powerful enough to ignore them with impunity. The consequences of being “on the list” is simply that under US law, no American may do business with them. So… Big shock, no American can lawfully do business with an Iranian Army commando group with a history of terrorist actions resulting in the death of Americans and Democrats in the media are outraged. Whose side are they on?
Guess there are some who preferred the coddling and collusion of Obama with Iran.
Valerie Jarrett herself had lots of foreign contacts with Iranians.
Hmmm. Logan Act? Foreign agent?
Family doesn’t count.
“Actually “Billâ€, I was just wrong.”
Correct. Accusing someone of anti-Semitism simply because they criticize the policies of Israel or the current state of US-Israeli relations is just wrong.
That does not stop idiot wingnuts from using that tactic to shut down debate on the matter, of course.
“I thought”
False.
*”I will be more careful next time.”
Also false. Hale will continue to use the hoary accusation of anti-Semitism to shut down any debate on the state of US-Israeli relations.
“The continued name calling simply reinforces why you aren’t worth engaging.”
The continued use of obvious ploys to shut down debate is why Hale isn’t worth listening to.
Anyone see the video of Barak Obama meeting with Angela Merkel of Germany? The leader who is stepping down and is a puppet of Putin? Who shut down her own coal and natural gas plants and then started BUYING natural gas from RUSSIA.
If anyone is a Russian agent it looks like Obama who ordered the spying on Trump as well as being briefed on a known fake document and knew the Russians were meddling in the election back during the primaries and did nothing about it. Only after Trump won did the left then jump on the Russia bandwagon which was pointing fingers at OBAMA and HRC and not TRUMP.
A diversion to take the heat of the chosen one and the wonderfully overqualified HRC and her horny hubby.
Funny that you brought that up, Mango.
“You’re not suggesting, though, that spying occurred?†Shaheen asked.
“I think spying did occur. Yes, I think spying did occur. But the question is whether it was predicated, adequately predicated,†Barr said.
Barr suggested later in the hearing that he had information leading him to question whether the FBI conducted unauthorized surveillance against the Trump campaign.
“I believe there is a basis for my concern, but I’m not going to discuss it,†Barr said.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/10/william-barr-spying-trump-campaign/
Oh boy!