Democrats just won’t give up on their Quixotic adventure to obtain Trump’s taxes for partisan personal purposes, but, so far, this bit of moonbattery is going nowhere
Mnuchin rejects Democrats’ subpoena for Trump’s tax returns
Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Friday rejected a subpoena from House Democrats demanding President Trump’s tax returns, setting the stage for a court battle over the documents.
Mnuchin said the House Ways and Means Committee’s request “lacks a legitimate legislative purpose,†citing the legal advice of the Justice Department in denying the demand.
“We are unable to provide the requested information in response to the Committee’s subpoena,†Mnuchin wrote.
Last week, Rep. Richard E. Neal (D-Mass.), chairman of the committee, issued subpoenas that gave Mnuchin and Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Charles Rettig until Friday at 5 p.m. to turn over Trump’s financial records. House Democrats have expressed confidence the law requires the IRS to permit them to access the tax returns, a position supported by numerous legal experts.
The relevant statute that authorizes Congress to see tax returns of U.S. citizens and businesses requires said “legitimate legislative purpose”, and wanting to see them because Democrats are mad Hillary lost and Trump won is not a legitimate reason. If it ever goes to court, Democrats will eventually lose (after finding a friendly judge at first), because they have no legitimate reason other than Orange Man Bad. This leads to another Washington Post article
No Mueller, no McGahn and stalled investigations leave House Democrats frustratedÂ
An increasing number of House Democrats are frustrated by their stalled investigations into President Trump, with an uncooperative chief executive, their own leader’s reluctance about impeachment and courts that could be slow to resolve the standoff.
Democrats have yet to hear from special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, who led the nearly two-year investigation into Russia interference in the 2016 election and possible involvement with the Trump campaign. Even with negotiations, the earliest Mueller could testify would be next month.
And any hopes of former White house counsel Donald McGahn facing a congressional panel on Tuesday are slim, as the White House moves to block all current and former aides from cooperating with congressional inquiries.
Weighing all options, Democrats have raised the specter of imposing fines or jailing people who ignore subpoenas, extreme measures that have prompted some legal experts to wonder whether Democrats have a strategy for this constitutional conflict.
Mueller did speak: it was in a 400+ page report that most Democrats failed to read, because it didn’t give them what they want. And most of their investigations are simply of the butthurt variety from losing in 2016. Keep tilting at windmills, Dems, you’ll guarantee Trump’s re-election.
Teach typed: “The relevant statute that authorizes Congress to see tax returns of U.S. citizens and businesses requires said “legitimate legislative purpose ”
Can you point out to us hapless readers where in 26 U.S. Code § 6103 (f) this language occurs? Or (more likely) from where you copied that information? We see “shall furnish”…
Mnuchin claims trump did not ask him to ignore the perfectly legal requests. trump is hoping to run out the clock until he cuts a deal and resigns.
26 U.S. Code § 6103
(f)Disclosure to Committees of Congress
(1)Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation
Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.
(2)Chief of Staff of Joint Committee on Taxation
Upon written request by the Chief of Staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish him with any return or return information specified in such request. Such Chief of Staff may submit such return or return information to any committee described in paragraph (1), except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.
(3)Other committees
Pursuant to an action by, and upon written request by the chairman of, a committee of the Senate or the House of Representatives (other than a committee specified in paragraph (1)) specially authorized to inspect any return or return information by a resolution of the Senate or the House of Representatives or, in the case of a joint committee (other than the joint committee specified in paragraph (1)) by concurrent resolution, the Secretary shall furnish such committee, or a duly authorized and designated subcommittee thereof, sitting in closed executive session, with any return or return information which such resolution authorizes the committee or subcommittee to inspect. Any resolution described in this paragraph shall specify the purpose for which the return or return information is to be furnished and that such information cannot reasonably be obtained from any other source.
Teach? Can you point out where the language occurs?
Mnuchin merely challenged Fatty to come up with a justifiable reason other than “just a feeling” he has.
But it’s valid, given the letter of the law.
Guess again.
unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.
Clearly, you don’t read much.
Can you point out to us hapless readers where in 26 U.S. Code § 6103 (f) this language occurs?
The language is Mnuchin’s, but the section requires the taxpayer’s consent in writing to such disclosure, which Fatty ain’t gonna get.
You are, of course, wrong.
FishLips Mnooch is gonna need a pardon.
Hardly.
He is the one fighting the subpoena.
And he’ll probably win because the law is on his side.
Any resolution described in this paragraph shall specify the purpose for which the return or return information is to be furnished and that such information cannot…Â
Anyone know the “specified purpose” other than a political purpose?
So no, Teach’s defenders can’t find that language either.
Teach?
So, little missy, what is the “specified purpose”?
Little missy,
There is no “specified purpose” necessary for the Ways and Means Chairman. It’s the law.
We have a president who has had multiple contacts with an enemy nation, and with known and rumored business deals with said nation, and who obstructed justice to hinder the investigation.
What is trump hiding?
Read on:
26 U.S. Code § 6103
(f)Disclosure to Committees of Congress
(1)Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation
Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.
Didn’t read the whole thing didja?
Simply point out where in the document the Treasure Secretary has leeway in “shall furnish” the return.
Written permission is only required outside a closed executive session.
Do you guys have another excuse?
TEACH??? Can YOU point out what legal authority permits the Secretary of the Treasury to withhold the document from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives??
Your minions are having a very difficult time with reading comprehension.
You’re up, Teach!!! Let’s see whatcha got, boy!
Keep reading…
Purpose is not the issue. Trump’s written consent is the issue because Fatty wants a Roman circus, not a closed executive session.
And, as I said, Lerner and Koskinen showed the Demos the returns several years ago.
We have a president who has had multiple contacts with an enemy nation, and with known and rumored business deals with said nation, and who obstructed justice to hinder the investigation.
Haven’t you heard? The Cold War is over.
We’re all kissy face now. And, if you were that concerned, why don’t you want to point out Teddy Kennedy’s trip to Moscow in ’84 to get the Russkies’ help in beating Reagan?
Back when they really were the enemy.
The bunny suit is throwing a tantrum over Teach quoting Mnuchin because the law is clear Mnuchin is within the law.
The Hair Suit and his lady friend, the lil bitch, are pitching bigly hissy fits over having TEACH’s falsehood exposed.
Maybe we’re wrong. Maybe you will find the statute that allows trump, Mnooch and Rettig to disobey the law!
You all seem so confident, it should be easy to find. Your pain will go away if you find the truth.
Releasing Trump’s returns requires Trump’s written consent. That says no leeway.
Trump can withhold the returns and Mnuchin can’t give them up.
You can whine all you want. Fatty and Schiff For Brains got nothing.
A Pulitzer prize winner explains it all to you…
https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres-the-law-that-requires-steven-mnuchin-to-turn-over-trumps-taxes-or-lose-his-office-and-go-to-prison
“Congress earlier applied this law to Richard Nixon, who resigned in disgrace after a second audit of his returns showed he was a major league tax cheat. Nixon fabricated deductions worth more than $3.4 million in today’s money. Nixon got off with a pardon, while his tax lawyer went to prison.
The IRS had audited Nixon’s 1969 tax return but failed to catch major league cheating by the sitting president. Only when Congressional tax lawyers went over it, and the IRS did a second audit, did they spot blatant tax evasion.”
trump is an admitted tax cheat, “reason” enough to review his tax returns. Add in his playing footsies with Russian oligarchs, Russian spies and other the involvement of Russia in his “win”, and Congress has all the “reasons” it needs.
And of course trump will go to the mat to keep his crimes secret. He’s still working a deal to stay out of prison.
Little missy likes to make it up as she goes along.
Lil missy,
A courageous admission on your part.
Have you found the law that absolves Mnuchin yet?
TEACH is leaving you and the posse twisting slowly in the wind.
We enjoy making fun of you, little missy.
One day you might actually add to the discussion, lil girl!
The part that you and the author seem to be missing is that Nixon approved the release of his tax returns for the audit.
That’s quite different than the Trump case.
Furthermore, while quoting the law on the tax returns, you failed to quote the laws on the scope of the powers of the committee that wants to tax return. It is far outside of their jurisdiction and powers.
Funny how the laws and circumstances that show the fallacy and the hate of the left are ignored by the left.
Hate will blind you to the truth and when all you have is hate…..
Just prove it. That’s all.
Why? You’d just ignore it, sweetie.
I just did, Elwood.
The scope of the committees by law is for using tax information to recommend tax rates. It is not a criminal investigative body.
As you have stated, the Committee members want to look at the taxes so they can 1) show Trump didn’t pay taxes or something (which is outside the scope of their statutory mandate) or 2) they want to see how much Trump made, is worth, gave to charity, etc, in order to try and embarrass him in some way. That too is outside the mandate of the committee.
If the federal laws allow for a Committee to demand the tax returns of a President, then why are the Democrats trying to push a law that requires Presidents release their tax returns?
Even they don’t believe what they are saying and their actions prove it.
It just so much hate from the left.
Then again, that is all they have.
Janet Cooke was a Pulitzer winner, too. They hand those out like participation trophies anymore.
Amnd, last I looked, Nixon’s taxes were not the issue. I also note, Johnson doesn’t quote the part about written consent.
And what does Ways And Means, whose function is writing taxes, need with Trump’s taxes? His returns aren’t required for any tax legislation.
PS Reduced to quoting the Daily Beast, are we?
Blah, blah, blah…Did you find the law that lets trump hide his tax returns yet?
OK, girlz. TEACH is clearly content to leave you hanging. You lost, bigly.
trump is hiding his returns because he has something to hide. Classic trump – tie things up in the courts until he figures out his next move.
Have a great Sunday!!
Bye sweetie, we’ll miss you.
If someone refuses to reveal his personal finances you assume he has “something to hide”? Show us your tax returns, Elwood, or do YOU have something to hide? You said it so prove you have nothing to hide. You sound absolutely ridiculous whining about another man’s private business. What exactly do you expect to find? What would be “hidden” in taxes HANDED TO THE GOVERNMENT? I really want to hear what you expect to learn he’s hiding. Tell us. Then post your returns here or forever be a cuck.
Kye-a-cuck,
Write your Congressman and have them request my returns. I can’t stop them. It’s the law.
Did YOU find the exception that allows trump to hide his from Congressional committees? Or are you just part of the lil-wiz-kye circle jerk?
TEACH is making fools of you all.
Awe sweetie you’re back… what fun.
The only fool around here is you, Elwood. Why do you care about Trump’s or for that matter anybody’s tax returns other than your own? Why are you avoiding answering the question? What you expect to see in Trump’s returns? His gross income? His total taxes paid? His deductions? His charitable contributions? What? Please explain, I’m curious.
Kye,
I have no interest in trump’s tax returns.
Congress does, as part of their oversight function. Presidential candidates have traditional revealed their tax returns, and trump promised he would, but was lying. No one cares about his gross income (although he surely lies about it). No one cares about his taxes paid unless he committed tax fraud (he’s confessed to that before). No one cares about his charitable giving (his fraudulent charitable foundation was shut down).
What might his tax returns reveal?
The SOURCES of his income. Anti-money laundering investigators at Deutsche bank reported suspicious activity in trump and Kushner accounts, but bank officers refused to investigate.
How troubling are his violations of the emoluments clause?
How he avoided paying taxes. The over $400 million his dad transferred to him using various illegal tax dodges is long past the statute of limitations. Is trump using similar methods to transfer monies to his kids?
For the past 40 years or so, candidates have revealed their tax returns, trump said he would, but was clearly lying. Why?
Little Missy still speculating.
Even the legal scholars are divided on the issue and feel that the issue will eventually be decided by SCOTUS.
But we still enjoy making fun of you.
Elwood, you are saying you have no interest in Trump’s taxes yet make all kinds of noise about it every time it comes up.
Part of Congresses oversight is to do what? Accuse a president of not revealing his taxes because Orange Man Bad?
So Congress wants the “SOURCES'” of his income. The only problem with that is it then encompasses many other American citizens who may not want THEIR taxes exposed.
If they think he’s guilty of “money laundering” (that’s a cheap shot even for you) then INDICT him.
You’re back on the Emoluments Clause train but the problem is who gets to say what an emolument is? Nazi Pelosi? Chuck Schumer? A person as partisan as you are would call rent from Trump Tower and emolument when in reality it’s his business. Besides, if you think he violated the Emoluments Clause CHARGE HIM!
How he avoids paying taxes is none of your business unless it’s illegal then CHARGE him. You bring upo something his FATHER did and sully him with it. That’s real classy passing the sins onto the son and in your case all the way to the grandson strictly on hyperbole.
If Trump’s doing something illegal then charge him if not this is no more than another witch hunt and the courts and DOJ should step in and put a stop to it.
You people will keep hounding that man and his family in the most despicable and immoral persecution I’ve ever seen in American history. You have destroyed the integrity of law and justice in America and wonder why nobody obeys the law any more even as you let your Smolletts, and other leftists skate on actual crimes. The corruption of the Democrat Party has reached the point of Treason. You lost the election, you coup is failing so you just keep piling on in the hopes you bring the entire Republic down.
According to the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel, a sitting President cannot be indicted, otherwise trump would have been charged with obstruction. You know that. Although trump refuses to follow the law, many other officials still believe in America.
Investigating a crook, who happens to be president, is not treason. trump knows nothing about the Constitution and believes he is King.
He is not King, and is subject to almost all the laws of the land. trump is on the verge of spawning a Constitutional crisis – the moment the courts instruct him to submit and he refuses.
Our Republic will likely survive trump and the horrid Republic Party, but we will all have to fight for it.
You’re funny, little missy.
a sitting President can be indicted. It’s called impeachment.
And any President is subject to all the laws of the land, not almost all. That’s what Democrats think, especially in the case of slugs like Willie and Zippy.
Trump is on the verge of spawning a Constitutional crisis – the moment the courts instruct him to submit and he refuses.
Yet again?
BTW Ever hear the line, “Mr Marshall has made his decision. Now let him enforce it”?
Our Republic will likely survive trump and the horrid Republic Party, but we will all have to fight for it.
Sure, but you’ll have to restrict it to old men, women, and young guys whose backs are turned.
Typed: BTW Ever hear the line, “Mr Marshall has made his decision. Now let him enforce it�
So you DO think trump IS above the law! Of course you do.
Again, he isn’t a crook until he’s proven a crook in court. So the batshit crazy left who cannot and will not accept the results of a lawful election after over two years and who instituted a deep state insurrection and coup d’etat and who continues day after day to have their propaganda arm of the media corrupt the truth and pass fake news are a-okay to you but Trump telling people on a fishing expedition to go fuk themselves will cause a Constitutional crisis? You are so self unaware it’s pitiful.
You really need to love America more than you hate Trump or you’ll go insane.
You can’t love America AND love trump.
You believe you love America but you love a caricature of America. You love an America you hope trump can create for you – that America with white men retain their unearned privileges. Where the wealthy are above the law.
trump does not care for America or Americans. He has no understanding or our mores, customs, ethics or our Constitution.
Remember?
“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
Remember?
“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
“… indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
trump has made a point of dividing America and Americans. By race. By religion. By wealth. By national origin. By political ideology.
By choice, trump has made himself President of only some Americans.
trump trashes our institutions, harming America in the process.
He uses race-baiting – and supports white nationalism.
He promotes lawlessness and violence.
He praises foreign dictators.
He calls those who disagree with him “Enemies of the people!”.
He feeds the “Deep State” and institutional conspiracies of his followers.
Trump has supporters commenting here who would rescind “liberty and justice” for some Americans.
We love you little missy because you’re so funny. And so smart.
That was a funny hissy fit, Liljeffy. It was almost as if Elwood were staring in a mirror as he typed it. He really, really has no idea of the depth of his projection and lack of self awareness, does he?
And he’s such an anti white racist. Almost every post he rails against white people and accuses them of all the crap the Democrats have historically done. It isn’t “privileged white men” under those KKK hoods or Antifa masks, it’s leftist Democrats. It wasn’t Republicans who threw Japanese into concentration camps it was Dems. It’s not a white Republican policy to put 79% of abortion clinics in low income areas, them’s Dems killing those black babies!
I’d also like to know which “unearned privileges” we white men are depending on Trump to save. Would they be crawling through mud and blood and piss to fight Americas wars? Or perhaps building those businesses the half black half commie insisted we didn’t build? Or maybe the privilege of working our balls off to pay our taxes and maintain our neighborhoods? That’s what that phony term “white privilege” has meant all through our history. So when it comes to “has no understanding or our mores, customs, ethics”, Elwood seems more the culprit. Oh, and he just ignores the Constitution unless it suits his argument.
NOTE. At this point I wrote a short paragraph insulting and degrading Elwood but in the spirit of Teach’s request to be civil I erased it. Consider that my “white privilege”.
That was a funny hissy fit, lil info kye. Although, it sounded better in the original German.
Achtung, white men, achtung… “They” are coming for us! The European-Aryan EARNED his exalted privilege. After all, God is white, and Donald J. Trump, is THE instrument of God!
We get it. White privilege is under attack. We understand you’re frightened, and frightened animals lash out. “You Won’t Replace Us!”, you scream. But no one is trying to replace you, but rather have equal access to the American dream.
BTW: White women get more abortions than Black women. Christians get more abortions than non-Christians.
Stop it, you’re cracking us up… who knew stupidity could be so funny? Thank you little missy.
Lil fluffy,
Does TEACH pay you to fluff him, or do you do if for fun?
And is gitarcarver jealous? You used to fluff him.
Fluffy… Bwahaha… haven’t read that one in a long time.
Bwahaha… stop it… you’re killing us… Bwahaha…
This is like all those times the Lefties say somebody’s out of the mainstream. They just mean the Lefty mainstream.
And most of the things our village idiot lists are what the Lefties do.
Note how the bunny suit always reverts to the Krauts when he’s been bitch slapped. But he trips over his own racism with his European-Aryan crack. Everything but bitter clingers.
And too bad he forgets there are more white, nominally Christian women in this country than any other kind, so it follows they’d have the most abortions.
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
And we’re still trying to milk Charlottesville, I see. Bunny suit missed that item at Insty yesterday noting racial incidents are way down in the Trump Era.
What’s with the “Achtung, white men, achtung… “They†are coming for us! The European-Aryan EARNED his exalted privilege. After all, God is white, and Donald J. Trump, is THE instrument of God!”
You think you’re clever? You’re not. You sound hateful and stupid. I never said anybody’s “coming for us” nor did I imply God to be white or infer Trump is the “instrument of God”, you did!
Then you say the really dumbass “We get it. White privilege is under attack.” NO Elwood, you don’t get it. First of all I was pointing out “white privilege” exists only in the minds of self hating whites and the minorities they brainwash. You are literally causing minorities to hate white people by teaching them to do so. And it’s not “white privilege” that’s under attack, it’s white people who are as a race under the spurious name of “white privilege”.
In America, black civil rights should never have gone beyond the legal, but people like you turned it into a war on whites. It is YOU who creates “White Supremacists” by turning the whole of society against white people. You expect them to submit? You expect whites to walk around the country they built being told they are racist and privileged and don’t deserve what they earn? What do you expect them to do you fool, kiss your elitist ass?
In 2019 there is no other ethnic group who has more at stake in the success and continuation of the United States and there is no end to how many other ethnicity’s people like you want to bring in to methodically eliminate or subjugate them. You import Hispanics by the millions who have no hope of success in our country because there are no jobs for all of them so they become welfare doles. You import Africans ans Middle Easterners most of whom are Mohammadans with no desire to assimilate but rather build a Islamic state built on Sharia law. Is that what you want for yous family?
This weekend is Memorial Day and I know the seething hate and hostility you have in your heart for us patriots who fought our country’s wars, after all so many of us are privileged white supremacists, but rather than putting out the black bunting to show your hate for America, Trump and of course me, try an American flag (if you own one).
We understand you’re frightened, and frightened animals lash out. “You Won’t Replace Us!â€, you scream. But no one is trying to replace you, but rather have equal access to the American dream.