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Happy Thanksgiving to you as well, Teach.
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“People were surprised about a lot of Hispanic folks who voted for Trump, but there’s a lot of evangelical Hispanics who, the fact that Trump says racist things about Mexicans, or puts undocumented workers in cages, they think that’s less important than the fact that he supports their views on gay marriage or abortion,” he said.
But the Post said not much data exists to support his claim.
Remarks like these are telling. The Democrats fully believe that the right is so mindlessly racist that if anyone votes for them or with them they too are RACISTS.
This is why we have to fight now. Not later. This will not blow over. This is not 1960’s Anti-war protests. This is 2020 Anti-Conservative beat down. This is a war that must be fought. There is now sitting this one out and waiting for it to blow over.
Period.
Thanks for reminding us hoe the conservatives pushed for war in Indochina
Just like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan
Barak Obama expanded the war to 7 nations from two after he took office in 2009. It is apparent that you don’t read anything that is beyond the scope of leftist propaganda.
Obama dropped more bombs than Bush did in his 8 years as president. It was so bad they had to do an emergency authorization to buy more BOMBS back when the right was trying to reign in spending as if they really gave a shit about spending.
Additionally it was JFK and LBJ that started the war and expanded the wars in Indochina. Eisenhower was warning us of the Military Industrial Complex’s power as they pushed him hard to go full guns on Vietnam at the end of his administration.
Nixon entered office(1969) with the promise to end the war and began drawing down troops in late 1970 and by 1972 before the end of his first term the presence in Vietnam was reduced from 546,500 men to a little over 80,000. I know. I was on the ground in Vietnam for about 5 years from 1964-1973 and I was not in the Military, nor was I part of the CIA, FBI or any other three letter agency you want to throw out there.
So just remember one thing there Hairy. What you think you know is what they want you to know. What they want you to know is that it is always the other sides fault. You buy it and then you riot in the streets.
Remember Trump trying to pull troops out of Afghanistan?
Here is the response to that one.
This was in Feb of 2019.
By a 68-23 margin, (9) no votes were democrats who simply didnt want to be on record they are in favor of killing more Muslims and Americans. The Senate decided we haven’t spilled enough blood, broken enough soldiers (mentally and physically), or spent enough money. All for a now-aimless conflict in a part of the world Americans don’t even care about.
Oh and after Obama took office. When the Democrats held ALL THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT
Congress Votes for Afghan War This was May, 2009.
Only 65 members of the House voted with Kucincich to force withdrawal from the Afghan war. The outcome makes the anti-war forces appear weaker than they are, and appearances do matter.
That means nearly 180 members of the Democratic party voted to continue the war in Afghanistan in 2009.
Why is that hairy? See you have been fed a narrative and congress laughs at you because the press now covers up for them. That narrative can be any number of things but since the Main Stream Media is owned by 5 giant Corporations and WARS SELL ADVERTISING and those Same billionaires have bought and paid for most of Both parties in Congress………..
Well perhaps you can understand why the left only gives lip service to the anti-war. Perhaps you might start doing a little looking and reading and exploring. The facts are out there, it just takes a bit of intellectual honesty to dig up the truth.
So don’t try having a debate with me until you bring real facts to the table. Not talking points. If you actually read my posts you will see I almost never use talking points, bullets handed down from the respective parties. I am more interested in Truth then I am a particular party or groups personal ambitions to gain power.
Part of my job is researching Trends. I live on the internet, scour it from continent to continent and it is always funny to watch Elwood here spouting verbatim the daily leftist talking point. Now I don’t know if he just buys their propaganda or if he is a paid operative, but one thing I do know is that I can spot corporate lies when it’s printed.
Exactly which “conservatives” pushed for war in “Indochina”? (Still can’t say Vietnam can you, ya pinko?) And I’d love to hear the names of conservatives who wanted war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Some Republicans, many, many Democommies but no conservatives. Unless you mean people not stone leftist that are called “conservative” by those leftists but who in actuality bear no resemblance to a true conservative like me. You know, like McCain or Romney.
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Did you serve in Vietnam ?
I did Hairy. Three tours, two Purple Hearts, one Bronze Star with V. 82nd Airborne, the “All American Division”. How about you?
Did you read my post Hairy? Or just ignore it for fear you might learn something that opposes the narrative you were given or come to believe. It is never too late in life to start adopting the real truth as part of who you are. It’s better to take the long nap knowing you fought for the truth and not a lie fed to you by those afraid of the truth.
Let me quote from my own response: I was on the ground in Vietnam for about 5 years from 1964-1973 and I was not in the Military, nor was I part of the CIA, FBI or any other three letter agency you want to throw out there.
Did I serve in Vietnam? Depends on your definition of serving.
President George W. Bush, VP Richard Cheney, Sec State Colin Powell, Sec Def Donald Rumsfeld and the entire Republican administration advocated the invasion of Iraq.
Regarding the Authorization for the Use of Military Force votes:
215 (96.4%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted for the resolution.
82 (39.2%) of 209 Democratic Representatives voted for the resolution.
48 (98%) of Republican Senators voted for the resolution.
28 (58%) of Democratic Senators voted for the resolution.
Mr Bush signed it.
There were NO conservatives in the White House, Senate or House in 2003?
The esteemed Mr Dowd asked:
What we had in there were too much like the neo-conservatives.
The biggest problem was that the elder George Bush called off the first Persian Gulf War too soon. He believed that after such a devastating defeat, Saddam Hussein would fall from power. Had we kept going in 1991, and toppled Mr Hussein back then, many future problems would have been avoided.
Bush (neither one) was a conservative nor are the rest of the gallery you named.
Apparently 3.6% Republican Representatives were conservative and 2% of the Republican Senators. Just because you, a communist, considers everyone right of Stalin a conservative does not mean they are. I don’t consider everyone left of Reagan a communist only the actual people who act and talk like communists and support communist ideas. There is NOTHING inherently conservative about initiating fukin wars all over the world. There is something inherently conservative about supporting our country in time of war regardless who was “for or against” it.
So the answer is NO there were no conservatives out of those you me3ntioned in the White House in 2003. Why? Did you actually think “Medicare Part D” Bush, “bail out Bush” is a conservative? Then you’re just as foolish as the real conservatives that get fooled every single time by phony grifters like them.
Of course you actually believe an uncertified senile idiot is the President Elect so what else is new?
Hairy’s original post: Just like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan
Two different things. Two different wars. As for Afghanistan? On September 14, 2001, the House passed House Joint Resolution 64. The totals in the House of Representatives were 420 ayes, 1 nay and 10 not voting. The sole nay vote was by Barbara Lee, D-CA. Lee was the only member of either house of Congress to vote against the bill.
Yes Elwood. Bush pushed us to war in Iraq using information from the CIA. The same agency who faked information to try and bring down Trump. When No WMD’s were found in Iraq it was Bush’s fault. It was Kennedy’s fault who stood on the steps of the White House and said I saw the information and I voted accordingly. Colin Powell stepped down and switched his allegiances after he realized what a DUPE the intell agencies made of him.
The CIA can do a lot of things Elwood. Including Lie to the president of the United States to keep their agenda in tact.
The Same CIA you wholeheartedly believed in when they were going after Trump is the same CIA with rock solid evidence that Saddam Hussein had WMD’s. If you remember at the time Saddam was paying 25,000 dollars a year for life to every family of anyone who used a bomb vest to blow up Israelis.
In the early 2000’s the CIA was responsible for Israel attacking Hezbollah only to be driven back decisively. More false information fed to illicit a response.
This was a result of Jimmy Carter Gutting the CIA during his term in office. The resulting blow back has not stopped and the CIA has so entrenched themselves now that no one can touch them.
Conservatives is a choice of words I would not use to define Bush and his cronies. They were Neo Conservatives who were deceived into nation building by a MSM that defended their every action and a deep network of intell from several nations all with an agenda. They advocated a harsh push back against ever expanding web of International terrorism which was affecting dozens of countries around the world and not just the USA.
However I chose to point out above that despite Bush leading us into Both countries:
Obama also dropped “26,171 bombs†on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan in 2016 alone, according to the Council on Foreign Relations — often for reasons tangentially related to the 9/11-era Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF).
And in 2012, the Obama White House leaked to the Times that in addition to killing Osama bin Laden, he personally oversaw a terrorist “kill list.†Few protested, other than Sens. Rand Paul (R-KY) and Ron Wyden (D-OR), the former mounting a filibuster to protest the use of drones against U.S. citizens — including in the hypothetical example that they would be used in the United States.
Does this sound like a man with a mission to fundamentally change America? Or does this sound like a man dancing to a tune of those that put him in office Elwood?
I do not look for Political truth. I look for the real truth. It is easy to define truth with political stripes but there was much more at play here than anyone realizes beginning with President Carter’s war on the CIA and a subsequent blow back of other intell agencies around the world. Since Carter we have had almost constant and non stop wars.
Why do you suppose that is given the Democrat Clinton couldn’t wait to go to Bosnia or Somalia during his term in office? Or Bush Sr. invading Kuwait or Reagan going after Grenada, Central America and stationing Troops in Lebanon?
The world is a deep place Elwood and both parties are chin deep in the swamp designed to keep us dancing to the tune of war, war and more war. I know. Ive been in most of them since Vietnam.
We were responding to Kye who had typed: And I’d love to hear the names of conservatives who wanted war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Some Republicans, many, many Democommies but no conservatives.
The invasion of Iraq was a Republican project. If Republicans wish to argue that there are no conservatives extant, I have no opinion. Have at it. But it sounds like a “No True Scotsman” argument.
On the broader concern that the US has a pro-war bent, who can disagree? Our defense budget is by far the greatest on Earth, ever. And it continues to grow. We spend more than the 10 next largest spends combined. When Dems attempt modest cuts in the defense budget, Republicans call them traitors, appeasers, commies etc. The point I’ve pushed repeatedly is that the US system serves the wealthy elites of every political tilt with the hundreds of millions of poor and working class workers as fuel. The appeal of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump was because supporters thought/felt they would help the poor and working classes.
That is my argument and there are plenty of “True Scotsman”. Republicans are just as pro war or pro peace as their Democrat fellow traversers. In case you haven’t noticed in all your years there is little that separates the two. Conservatives, OTOH only side for war under great duress like an attack by a foreign or domestic enemy bent on our destruction or on that of an ally. I am speaking generally as I’m sure if I dig deep enough I’ll find some conservative somewhere that’s a hawk just like I’d find a leftist who is the “Only True Peacenik” left.
Just like the liberals used to be for free speech until they morphed into leftists and now want to silence (if not imprison) any and all dissent, the old line Republicans just like the Democrats never saw a war they didn’t like and want to be in. But now we watch that Nazi Trump remove our troops from all over the world and the loudest noise comes from the leftists, not we conservatives. That’s what we want.
When it comes to cutting the defense budget what Republicans want is similar cuts in other domestic budgets. But now we know why the left refuses to cut ANYTHING and it’s because they control the Deep State and want it’s support in case another Renegade like Trump gets accidentally elected By The People to clean up this shit. The Dems like it dirty as long as they win, we like it honest even if we lose. Big morality gap there.
And Senile Joe? Why he’s a fukin magician! https://youtu.be/u6QYo5FGXB0
The esteemed Mr Dowd wrote:
The two wars are not alike. Afghanistan was precipitated by an attack on American soil, led by a group hiding in Afghanistan. Going after and destroying al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden was a war of necessity.
Iraq, on the other hand, was a war of choice. As I said above, it would have been completely avoided had the ender George Bush not ended the first Iraq war too soon. The younger George Bush wanted to finish that job, and poor intelligence gave him a reason.
But both wars had the same problem: what do you do with a country after you have defeated it in war? Americans of all political stripes learned the wrong lesson from World War II, that a Western-style democracy could be imposed on a defeated foe. Germany and Japan were so thoroughly destroyed, the fighting aged men killed or injured, and the boys soon to reach fighting age so shell shocked, that there was no resistance left, and despite neither nation having any significant democratic experience, the imposition of democracy was successful
In Iraq, our overwhelming force quickly defeated Saddam Hussein, but really killed very few of his soldiers. The fighting aged men, and the boys growing into fighting age over the fifteen years of our presence, were able to think they could resist Westernization successfully. In Afghanistan, we kicked the Taliban out of power, but that place is simply ungovernable by any outsiders, and really, by Afghanis themselves; it is not really a nation, but a region of tribes. Westerners deceive themselves into thinking that every ‘nation’ must actually be a nation.
The younger President Bush was, if not a neo-conservative himself, greatly influenced by the neo-cons, and by Natan Sharansky, who wrote that once people experience democracy, they will continue to want it for themselves. The argument sounds persuasive, but experience has taught us the bitter lesson; some cultures are not so ready for democracy that they will not willingly surrender to a strongman. The various Iraqi factions, all militarily defeated several times, kept coming back to life as new leaders sprung up and more boys grew into men. Then, when Da’ish arose, hundreds of thousands of Syrians and Iraqis simply fell into line, just as so many Iranians willingly turned themselves over to the terror of the mullahs.
This was a hard lessons, but conservatives have (mostly) learned it: one nation cannot simply impose its values on another, at least not as long as there are any tough men left alive. The neoconservatives, who were really only ‘conservative’ when it came to a strong military and the willingness to use military power, are almost gone now, just part of the ‘never Trumper’ movement.
Today’s conservatives are not the conservatives of fifteen years ago. Not only have conservatives learned some lessons, but many older conservatives have moved into retirement while newer ones became adults. Domestically, they still believe in the same things: a nation subject only to God, a social order founded on Judeo-Christian values and morality, and that the rights of the individual cannot be subjugated by the state. The libertarian outlook, which has always been part of conservatism, is becoming more pronounced.
There’s more to write about this, but I lave to scrape my truck windshield and lesve for Mass.
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