The next thing the leftist news media will tell us is that we are required to get behind China Joe’s policies, otherwise we Hate Democracy
Republicans Are Going Down a Dangerous Road
Even with the Supreme Court still deciding whether to consider a last-ditch legal effort to invalidate the results from the key swing states, there appears little chance that Trump will succeed in subverting Joe Biden’s victory. But Trump’s failure on that front has obscured his success at enlisting a growing swath of his party to join his cause—a dynamic that is already prompting new Republican efforts to make it more difficult to vote and raising concerns about the party’s commitment to the basic tenets of Western democratic rules and conventions, including the peaceful transfer of power.
“Where their hearts are is hard to know, but their behavior is not small-d democratic,†Susan Stokes, a political-science professor and the director of the Chicago Center on Democracy at the University of Chicago, told me.
Stokes, like other experts, says the Republican Party is on a continuum toward the kind of “democratic erosion†visible in other countries, including Turkey under Recep Erdoğan, Hungary under Viktor Orbán, or, in the most extreme example, Russia under Vladimir Putin. In those nations, a party that wins office through a democratic election then seeks to use state power to tilt or completely undermine future elections.
“With one of our political parties trying to overturn the results of a free and fair election, we are way farther down that road now than we were before the election, or a year ago,†she told me. Republicans “have been going down that road all through Trump’s term, but this is the parting gift, which is more extreme than what has happened before.â€
What follows is The Atlantic’s Ronald Browstein being upset that Republicans have tried to enforce the notion of one person one vote and that we should require proof that the person voting is actually that person, along with all the complaints of election fraud that have been alleged by Republicans for the 2020 election. Because trying to ensure election intergrity is just dumb, right? Because the enormous amount of election irregularities, bad software, ballots just appearing out of thin air, election watchers being kept away, counts being restarted after watchers went home, etc and so on, you know the drill, is just silly. No one should ever contest anything, right?
It’s all very interesting, because we were treated to 8 years of Democrats proclaiming that George W. Bush stole the 2000 and 2004 elections, and refereed to him as pResident and “not my president”. They then spent 4 years proclaiming that Trump was an illegitimate president because Russia stole the election for him, that he was an agent of Vladimir Putin. They wanted him impeached even before he took office. They figured out a way to get a several years long special council investigation, and still wouldn’t accept the results when it turned out their Russia Russia Russia meme was a bunch of mule fritters.
But, see, Republicans are just supposed to accept China Joe.
Elections have consequences
Actually I hope to further enjoy the republicans whining for many more months
Plus democrats have a jhappy new year to look forward to
Trump may very well be indicted for his bank and tax frauds in this state.
What bank and tax fraud, John?
Trump’s bank and tax fraud, jil.
And the evidence of bank and tax fraud, J. ?
from the cited article:
“…a party that wins office through a democratic election then seeks to use state power to tilt or completely undermine future elections.”
This is and has been the GOP’s Long Game. They have always been smarter, more political capable and more devious than the hapless Dems. Since voting is regulated at the state level, they’ve used state Republican majorities to make it more difficult for likely Dem voters to vote (voter suppression).
This year, having failed, the Republicans have resorted to authoritarian tactics to attempt to overthrow the election. Not one court, judge, gov’t agency (DOJ, FBI, DHS) have recognized the purported vote fraud “evidence” proffered by the Trump’s lawyers. The conservative Supreme Court has tossed at least two major Trump cases. For now, the Republican plan to stack the courts with reactionaries has failed. For now.
In a recent survey here are statements that Repubs and conservative independents agree with in large numbers (40% or more):
“the traditional American way of life is disappearing so fast that we may have to use force to save itâ€
“strong leaders sometimes have to bend the rules in order to get things doneâ€
“a time will come when patriotic Americans have to take the law into their own handsâ€
“it is hard to trust the results of elections when so many people will vote for anyone who offers a handoutâ€
https://www.pnas.org/content/117/37/22752
Trump is not the cause of collapse of the GOP, he is a symptom of the creeping right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) and anti-democratic, anti-Constitutional and anti-intellectual forces in America now dominating the Republican Party.
Would you support Trump invoking the Insurrection Act or martial law, using the US military to secure his “rightful re-election”?
The Mueller investigation of the Trump campaign and administration was Constitutional and certainly not “mule fritters”. The impeachment of Trump for attempting to extort information from Ukraine was Constitutional. “You” are not obligated to support or accept a President Biden, but Trump’s efforts to stay in office are anti-democratic and anti-Constitutional. See the difference?
Trump lost, bigly. His only means to stay in power are authoritarian. Does Teach believe that Trump should use these means to stay in power?
Sadly, I do accept that Joe Biden won the election, but I will definitely not get behind his policies. The Democrats’ policies will be a disaster for the United States.
So Republican policies have been good for the United States? We need to begin to address the systemic problems in our economy. I’m not sure that Mr. Biden will be able to do that with Mitch McConnell and the GOP (and many Dems, too) blocking and tackling for the economic elites, or that Mr. Biden would even address the issues. For decades Congress and presidents have rewarded the economic elites and allowed the working classes to lay fallow, if not suffer. If we want to start the hard slog to reinvigorate America look no further than the policy prescriptions of Mr. Sanders (I-VT).
“So Republican policies have been good for the United States?”
Why, yes, they have. Got any tough questions, Jeffty?
Here’s a tough question, analstorm.
Why have the courts, DOJ, AG, FBI, Supreme Courts, state Republican officials, not found any credible evidence? No one seems able to answer that, Stormy.
“Sadly, I do accept that Joe Biden won the election,” Commie Joe did not “win” the election, the Democommie Party in collusion with the Fake News Media and the Tech oligarchy stole the election. That act effectively ended the American Republic and now we are in The Great Reset. Get used to it. Now our opinions, desires, goals, history and labor mean nothing. The Democommies will walk over us and we should feel blessed if we aren’t imprisoned or worse. That’s how socialists roll. They tolerate no dissent and no questions.
It’s not so bad for me, I’ll be 70 in January and I have a fatal disease. I’ll be lucky if the Democommies don’t declare me “non essential”, euthanize me and steal my assets to distribute as “reparations”. If I weren’t so sick I would liquidate my assets and move to a place like Costa Rica and live out my days. Sadly, my reward for being a patriotic American, fighting for my country, supporting myself and building businesses for 40 years, taking in two boys as my own and raising them, employing a couple thousand people in my career and helping several of them into school or opening their own businesses and of course paying 57 years of taxes is to watch my beloved Republic be twisted into some sort of socialist utopia where equality is valued over Justice and minority rights over those of everyone else. Equality is unattainable. There is always someone taller, prettier, richer, smarter, better built, happier, sexier or whatever. Grow up and get used to it. Justice OTOH is attainable by treating everyone as equal under the law and in reality that’s the best we humans can hope for and now that is gone. You are treated unequally under law depending on your color, sex, history and many other dividing characteristics all detrimental to Equal Justice Under Law.
Anyway, I too accept Sniffer as the new president but as the leftists have been chanting for 4 years “He ain’t MY President” (Which will be my new handle).
BTW, what’s the over/under on how long it takes the REAL communist, Harris, to get rid of Sniffer?
Heil Harris!
Mr. Biden won, and there has been no credible evidence saying otherwise. The recent hoopla is a trump strategy to defend his legacy and defund his supporters. The larger
The romantic Democratic Republic for which many nuCons long was/is a nation of elite entitlement. We have forgotten who built America – the middle class – and we’re allowing its slow erosion.
For the period 2015-2019, 21% of Americans lived in poverty, ranging from 5% in NH to 42% in Mississippi. It’s likely much higher now. This, in the richest nation in history. The fact is our economy does not work for all Americans. Contrary to the claims of the nuCons this does not mean that Dems are communists or socialists that need to be hanged. It DOES mean policies can be instituted to restrain the redistribution upward. A higher minimum wage ($15/hr is still just ~ $30,000/yr), tax reform (even more progressive), universal healthcare (healthier workers NOT using health benefits as criteria), stop union bashing (right to work for less laws), public education (educated workers are better workers), tech and pharma patent reform… anyway, none of this is communism any more than Switzerland, Norway, Australia and Israel are communist nations.
Of course the well-off are upset that the politicians they bought would consider slowing the gravy train, but that’s the cost of civilization.
All kinds of evidence, J. as said earlier. Hundreds of affidavits
Credible evidence, jil. Affidavits claiming suspicions of wrongdoing were not persuasive. Why not?
Teach says the “fix was in”, that judges across the land were tainted, that federal appellate courts, state Republican officials, the Supreme Court conservative majority, Bill Barr, the FBI, DOJ and DHS were all tainted if not treasonous. Many Trump supporters are saying Trump was betrayed by his packed court, that Gorsuch, Barrett and Kavanaugh (along with 3 other conservatives) somehow owed Trump support for political reasons. We’re certain Mr. Trump thought that as well, convinced that everyone was as craven and transactional as he.
Trump supporters are akin to cult members with their full faith in their leader rather than the system. They can’t believe their leader could be vulnerable to simple arithmetic.
You’re welcomed back to America if you choose.
The New England Patriots won several Super Bowls with Tom Brady using underinflated footballs; did the NFL take away those trophies and give the title to the teams they defeated? The Houston Astros won a World Series in which they were stealing signs; did Major League Baseball vacate their wins?
Joe Biden had more votes that were counted, in the right places, than did Donald Trump. That’s all that matters.
You’ll note that I never claimed that Donald Trump was “my President.” I did not make such a claim about Ronald Reagan or either George Bush, either, because no President is somehow “my” President.
As for your wealth, I’d suggest moving it out of the country, and charitable giving to conservative causes, before the Democrats can get their hands on it.
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The electors meet in their various state capitals on Monday, December 14th, at which point they will cast their votes. After they do that, if Mr Biden has 270 or more electoral votes — he’s projected to have 306 — then he has won.
The House certifies the votes for President, and the Senate for Vice President, on January 6th. There is no legal mechanism for the House or Senate to reject any of the votes, or to declare someone else the winner, if a candidate has an absolute majority of the votes cast.
They are credible evidence, J. Under penalty of perjury the the person signing the affidavit could go to jail.
Don’t be naive, jil.
Giuliani’s star affidavits (Russell James Ramsland, Jr for both) were error ridden, misidentifying multiple townships in Michigan. He got only one accurately, noting the Grand Island Township had 96.77% turnout (30/31 registered voters, voted). You can look up the affidavits. A former Republican candidate in TX, Ramsland claimed that there were multiple precincts with over 100% turnout, including one precinct (North Muskegon) with 781% turnout (actually 78.1%). Zeeland Charter Township was reported twice, once at 460% turnout, later in the table at 90.59% (actually 79.81%). Shelby Township was also listed twice, both times as 100% (actually 37.85%). Spring Lake Township had a 120% turnout (but doesn’t exist).
Ramsland also alleged vulnerabilities in the voting machines, proving nothing.
Opinions are not facts. Hearsay is not fact.
Not one court case (from over 50) found the affidavits credible.
Was Justice Barrett’s “Bless Your Little Hearts” in the photo directed at Trumpists? Justices Barrett, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch all voted NOT to hear the Texas Hail Mary to overturn the election.