I wonder if the state of Colorado will restrict the use of fossil fuels by state employees and elected officials? Meh, probably not. One has to wonder where the statutory authority for these proposed rules comes from
Colorado wants big companies’ employees to attack climate change by ditching their car commutes
Colorado businesses in the state’s high-ozone areas that host more than 100 employees would have to limit the number of workers commuting alone in cars to 75% of their workforce starting in 2022 and 60% by 2024, according to greenhouse gas and ozone reduction rules drawn up by state air pollution control staff.
Those large employers would also have to appoint an official transportation coordinator and eliminate parking subsidies or start charging for currently-free parking under the detailed rule proposal, considered a key part of state emissions reduction goals. Staff of the Air Pollution Control Division are asking the appointed Air Quality Control Commission to set hearings and a vote on the new transportation rules by late summer.
Employees who use zero-emission vehicles, such as fully-electric cars, would be exempt under the draft rules, released Thursday night. The draft offers a number of potential employer strategies that could qualify as good-faith efforts to meet the rules, including solutions such as sponsoring shuttles to nearby transit stops, or “flexwork†policies allowing more freedom on when and how often employees need to be at the workplace.
Wow, that’s a lot to unpack. Let’s start with the end: why is this government office full of unelected bureaucrats thinking they can dictate the policies of companies in relation to how often employees need to be at work? That is not their business. Next up is this government office thinking they can dictate to companies that they have to have someone who dictates how employees get to work and start charging employees to park at work.
Then we get to them telling citizens that they cannot drive to work alone in their legally purchased property, and that big companies will have to enforce this limit. Where’s the authority for that? Under what Colorado law does the authority exist? What previously passed law, if any, makes them think they can tell companies and citizens to do this? And will it apply to government workers?
It’s not clear from the draft rules what enforcement mechanisms state government will have to push large companies to come under the caps. The rules have reporting and recordkeeping requirements, but also say employers that continue to miss the goals can file “alternative compliance plans.â€
The workplaces will have to plan for their proposed commuting solutions by first conducting extensive surveys of how their employees currently get to and from work, according to the draft. The rules’ accompanying economic analysis says there are about 877,000 employees at about 2,800 employers of over 100 people in the 10-county area that has ozone problems. (big snip)
The staff analysis puts the annual cost per employer of meeting the goals in a broad range, from $7,200 to $811,643 each.
Again, this is the creeping Fascism/Authoritarianism of the Cult of Climastrology. This is all none of the business of the Government, at least in a free country. Will the people of Colorado revolt? They tend to vote Democrat, but, might this be a bridge too far for the citizens? Remember, most Warmists are cool with Other People being forced to Do Something, not themselves.
Those unelected bureaucrats are
Appointed by the governor and authorized by the CO legislature
The CO Ai Wiity Comission has been granted the power to enforce and ensure that CO meets its standards already in place
CO is already meeting many of the restrictions on commuting because of telecommuting
If CO fails to meet EPA standards especially on ozone it will trigger the next level “severe” with even stricter regulations
Apparently people in CO are more interested in their air quality than in the profit level of big companies
Teach how do you feel about your own state limiting some lanes to high occupancy or zero emission vehicles?
William Teach: Under what Colorado law does the authority exist?
Colorado Air Pollution Prevention and Control Act, Section 25-7-101, 25-7-104, et seq., C.R.S., as amended.
I think Electric cars are awesome Ideas for people in the Rockies.
One has to remember that if you go to a charging station it takes about 15 minutes to increase the range of almost any electric car ONE (!) Mile. NOW you are asking these companies to install 3-5 million dollar charging stations and if you have 100 employees all of whom might be coming from 360 degrees of the map your needing to install 100 charging ports at a cost of around 35-40 million dollars for 100 charging outputs.
The stations of this size cost between 3-5 million dollars. They are not cheap. One of the reasons why all electric cars come with a built in onboard computer which gives you driving directions AND….directions to all charging stations in the USA.
However. Tesla’s charging locations are quite accurate while the rest of the companies rely upon GOOGLE MAPS and an app I wont throw out there for fear of the angry beaches to come after the OP of this forum. IN that app it is not uncommon to show up at an empty lot behind a Target for a charging station that does not appear.
I firmly suggest that if people at this moment are looking to buy an Electric car that you seriously consider a Tesla whose sole function in life is building electric cars and Elon Musk also spent billions installing Tesla charging stations all across Europe and the USA and a proprietary app that will get you accurately to a charging station.
Additionally Tesla’s have much greater distance.
The only problem Hairy and Elwood and Zach need to solve is how ya gonna pay for all these electric vehicles needing to take DAYS to charge off of 110 Volts at home. Because in many cases 220 volts is not available across Europe and much of the USA at this moment and if there are no fossil fuels it will cost tens of thousands to wire your home for 220 volts moving through a mountain of legislation to suck dry the wind turbines and solar panels producing your green energy.
Quite a conundrum. And as soon as the little tree huggers start going hungry and cant drive their 35k Tesla….they gonna be pissed.
I think it’s a great idea. If CO wants large businesses to move out.
Hairy and Zachriel never saw a law restricting the Freedom of others they didn’t love. Typical fascists.
What is it about American leftists that make them so susceptible to the despotism they love so dearly? Is it a psychological or emotional problem? Or just plain envy? Always looking to tell others how to live. Disgusting.
Kye: Hairy and Zachriel never saw a law restricting the Freedom of others they didn’t love.
Next thing you know they’ll be telling you when to stop and when to go.
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Zachriel, you are so fukin clever equating safety street lights with despotic tyranny telling other people how to live. First of all everyone has to obey street lights not just “employees of large corporations” which in itself is bigotry and secondly street lights are for safety, not a cult, not to make leftists feel superior and assuage their envy.
Kye: you are so fukin clever equating safety street lights with despotic tyranny telling other people how to live.
It’s not telling people how to live, but how to commute. A similar example are commuter lanes for carpooling. Or emissions standards for cars and trucks.
Kye: First of all everyone has to obey street lights not just “employees of large corporations†which in itself is bigotry
Small businesses are exempted, which is fairly typical for many business regulations.
Kye: street lights are for safety, not a cult, not to make leftists feel superior and assuage their envy.
Scientists have strong evidence that carbon emissions will have high costs over the next century.
I’m used to your tactics and I’m not going to play the Zachriel circle jerk with you where you modify or replace a word and act all effete. But I will address these and that’s it.
“It’s not telling people how to live, but how to commute. A similar example are commuter lanes for carpooling. Or emissions standards for cars and trucks.”
Yes, it is telling people how to commute, park, what to drive and so much more. Don’t deny it since it only makes you seem like you’re gaslighting. Commuter lanes and car pooling as well as emissions standards apply to everybody they are not cherry picked to harm certain targets.
“Small businesses are exempted, which is fairly typical for many business regulations.”
Of course there are regulations which apply yo large and small businesses there are regulations that apply only to restaurants, morticians and amusement parks, so what? Just because the state in it’s infinite wisdom decides to categorize business does not make this blatant attack on personal Liberty any less coercive.
“Scientists have strong evidence that carbon emissions will have high costs over the next century.”
And scientists have never been wrong? They seem to have a hard-on only for capitalist enterprise which looks strangely non-scientific but rather political.
BTW, we have “strong evidence” of election fraud and systemic vote manipulation and you leftists are so afraid you won’t even let us present it.
Similarly Zachriel, I have found that in any discussion on any topic if there is a position which give people more Freedom and one that gives them less you fall solidly in the latter. I always default towards Liberty like my Forefathers.
Kye: Yes, it is telling people how to commute, park, what to drive and so much more.
Sure. There are all sorts of regulations about driving: traffic lights, zoning for parking, and what to drive (safety belts, air bags, emission controls, structural integrity, etc.).
Kye: Commuter lanes and car pooling as well as emissions standards apply to everybody they are not cherry picked to harm certain targets.
Are you saying small businesses should also be included, and then it would be okay? If not, then your point is moot.
Kye: And scientists have never been wrong?
Still, despite its limitations, science is the best way of knowing about the natural world.
Kye: BTW, we have “strong evidence†of election fraud and systemic vote manipulation and you leftists are so afraid you won’t even let us present it.
Maybe so, but no one has made that evidence public, or presented such a case to the courts. Indeed, the evidence we do have indicates there was very minimal fraud.
Kye: I have found that in any discussion on any topic if there is a position which give people more Freedom and one that gives them less you fall solidly in the latter.
You haven’t shown where this is any different than the myriad other regulations that are part of modern society. Do you think manufacturers should be able to make unsafe products, such as baby cribs?
Est1950: Because in many cases 220 volts is not available across Europe and much of the USA at this moment
Europe is mostly 230V, as if much of the world.
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Modern homes in the U.S. have access to 240V, which is then split to provide two lines of 120V each. A home charging station can cost anywhere from $500, if you already have a 240V outlet, to $2000, if you need electrical installation.
Est1950: to suck dry the wind turbines and solar panels producing your green energy.
Cars can charge during low-usage periods. They can even help balance the power load on the electrical grid.
Can always Rely on WIKI ZACH to stick his foot in his mouth.
The available charging infrastructure for electric vehicles (EV) in the EU still falls far below what is needed amid surging demand, according to a new report by the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association (ACEA). Late 2020 report, The exact date is unknown to me at this point since it is simply in my notes.
The analysis also reveals that just 1 in 7 charging points in the EU is a fast charger while normal points account for the vast majority.(Meaning extremely slow charging despite 230 volts but only 3.7 KW of charging power in the standard home.)
Furthermore, many of the charging points that are included in EU statistics are common-or-garden, low-capacity power sockets that are not suitable for charging vehicles at an acceptable speed, such as ordinary power outlets in garages.
The existing infrastructure was also found to be unevenly distributed throughout the EU with the Netherlands, Germany, France and the UK alone accounting for more than 75 per cent of all electric charging points.
It’s so frustrating dealing with someone who is clueless but can wiki up a storm.
In the EU, their standard is 230 volts but for electric cars a small single phase AC 230V 16 amps charging station can deliver max 3.7 kW. AT THIS RATE you will receive 1 mile of range in 15 minutes. That is using the standard of 16 amps and 230 volts.
In the USA 220 volts needs to be wired in your home and is not standard. I forget that people like you exist to pick apart everything that I say rather than just doing research to discover the problems and look for solutions.
Phase one and phase two charging stations can give you 5 KW’s and 50 kwh’s of charge. At the 50 KWH charge you can actually get a decent charge in about 55 minutes. At 5 KW in the USA it is again 1 mile of driving added per 15 minutes of your time… That is 32 miles in an 8 hour shift at work.
And now you know the rest of the story, laid out so even Zach can understand it.
Voltage DOES NOT MATTER. AMP HOURS DO when it comes to charging an electric car.
Est1950: Can always Rely on WIKI ZACH to stick his foot in his mouth.
Instead of just admitting your error, such as your false claim that Europe doesn’t have the higher voltage or that modern U.S. homes don’t have 240V, you divert. That’s because you have already reached your conclusion, then marshal what you think might support that conclusion.
Est1950: Meaning extremely slow charging despite 230 volts but only 3.7 KW of charging power in the standard home.
A standard 240V circuit runs at 30A for 7.2KW (twice 120V at 15A). You can charge the largest Tesla battery (100KWh) overnight, which is good for 400 miles. In real life, you normally only need to top off your battery. Even with a 120V circuit at 15A for 3.6KW, you can charge enough for 100 miles of service overnight, which is more than enough for most people to get to work and back. Consider that businesses are now installing charging stations, that resolves most of the problem.
Keep in mind that this is new technology. In the olden days, it took considerable training just to start a car or even to gas it up.
Since the 1960s, homes have been provided 240V service with 100-200A. Total available power is therefore more than sufficient for charging a car and running the household. Keep in mind that car charging usually occurs during low power usage.
Est1950: One has to remember that if you go to a charging station it takes about 15 minutes to increase the range of almost any electric car ONE (!) Mile.
You are quite wrong on that point. Even a U.S. standard 120V outlet can charge 100 miles in 10 hours, which is sufficient for most commutes. With a charging station, it can take as little as 15 minutes.
https://www.spiritenergy.co.uk/kb-ev-understanding-electric-car-charging
Z,
You are a child and speak like one. Your only reference is the internet and the propaganda that you daily gulp. In my curiosity about electric vehicles, I went to the Tesla dealer in Dallas. Yours was the exact question I asked. He brought up a map of Tesla charging stations which appeared very sparse. His response to the amount of time required for a full charge from a depleted battery via a Tesla FAST charge system was 45 minutes at best.
We get a number of children like you who practice acting like adults. I must say you are one of the more obnoxious of the bunch and least intelligence. As I have said before, you need to read outside the internet and get a base of knowledge, which you don’t possess.
david7134: He brought up a map of Tesla charging stations which appeared very sparse. His response to the amount of time required for a full charge from a depleted battery via a Tesla FAST charge system was 45 minutes at best.
That’s consistent with our previous comment. With the fastest charger, it takes 15 minutes for 100 miles. The largest Tesla batteries are good for 300-400 miles at full charge, so it takes about 45 minutes. Most people charge overnight for commuting, so the time for charging isn’t usually a huge issue, except for long trips.
Thank you for the confirmation, and we appreciate your agreement on this point.
Z,
Poor effort of deflection. But your statements and your reference do not match your effort.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-not-so-clean-energy-transition-11620752282#
#BelieveTheLie
Bwaha! Lolgf
John’s gonna have a heart attack….