As keeps being said by so many, this isn’t about science, is it? It seems to be more about using political authority. Further, as so many keep saying, the people who are wanting to mandate vaccines for all are expressing that vaccines do not actually work to protect those who took them from COVID. I’m fully in favor of the vaccine. The point in me taking it was to be protected from getting int (it was 94% effective at the time), and knowing symptoms would be very light if I did get it. I wasn’t worried about others getting COVID. If everyone has to take it for it to work, then they’re saying “it doesn’t work as advertised”
Constitution allows Biden to mandate COVID vaccine. Federal government can do even more.
Over the course of the COVID-19 pandemic, each state has taken its own approach on masking, vaccine distribution and education.
(lots of whining about Florida and DeSantis)
It is true that our constitutional design allows that states can be the laboratories of democracy, but the slogan is incomplete. It comes from a 1932 case, where the Supreme Court struck down a state regulation that it thought arbitrarily required vendors of ice to obtain licenses, unlike vendors in other industries. Justice Louis Brandeis dissented, arguing: “It is one of the happy incidents of the federal system that a single courageous State may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country.”
That last part is key. While the Constitution allows states to govern their internal affairs, it also provides mechanisms to protect everyone else from their poor decisions.
Biden is doing just that, leveraging the power of the federal government to protect citizens from the impacts of the ill-informed policies that are enabling the virus to continue mutating and spreading throughout the population. Enacting a new emergency rule requiring employers with 100 or more employees to ensure their workforces are fully vaccinated or tested weekly is a big step in the right direction. But it isn’t nearly big enough.
Actually, in most cases, it doesn’t provide mechanisms, because of that pesky 10th Amendment. And in the few cases that it does, that power goes to Congress to pass a law within the framework of the Constution, not the Executive to unilaterally determine how things will go. But, you know Progressives only care about Presidential overreach and dictatorial behavior when a Republican is in office, claiming they’re dictators even when the Republican in question is doing the opposite. The COVID tyrants were doing this with Trump, even as he was saying most power to do anything about COVID was in the hands of the States.
When Trump did go and implement travel bans from certain nations and regions, like China, Italy, and others, the same Progressives blew a gasket, calling him a raaaaacist and a dictator, that it was horrible. Remember that? But, now
Accordingly, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has issued a mandate for all airline travelers to wear masks. It is time to think similarly about vaccinations, where the federal government’s authority is just as clear. With the Pfizer vaccine now fully approved by the Food and Drug Administration and the Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines likely to follow, any remaining questions about safety and efficacy have been settled.
The CDC did overstep its authority for travel within states. For international and interstate travel for buses, trains (those 10 people who do it), and airplanes, they can sorta maybe claim authority from laws passed by Congress. And, yes, the COVID tyrants want more
Well ahead of the holiday travel season, the Biden administration should announce that United States airline travelers will be required to present proof of vaccination.
Such an airline vaccination mandate will have a few predictable effects. First, it will cause people who would otherwise fly unvaccinated to get vaccinated, so they can see their friends and family members, enjoy their vacations or do their work.
Second, it may cause others who insist on being unvaccinated to stay at home, and thereby reduce the risk to everyone else.
Third, it may reassure vaccinated folks who are hesitant to travel that it is indeed safe, which supports the airline and tourism industries.
Fourth, it will bring forth numerous lawsuits immediately, with all those people having standing to sue for vastly overstepping the authority granted by Congress and the Constitution, and for violating the Constitution. Heck, remember when Democrats, particularly NY State governor and serial sexual harasser Andrew Cuomo threatened to sue when Trump threatened to require a federal quarantine for the NY tri-state area? And when certain states, like Florida, were going to require quarantines for Democrats escaping NY? There have been numerous Supreme Court decisions showing that neither states nor the Federal government can restrict movement from one state to another. Surrender Joe can block international travel, not domestic, and requiring a vaccine would do just that, restrict domestic travel.
(Wikipedia) Freedom of movement under United States law is governed primarily by the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the United States Constitution which states, “The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.” Since the circuit court ruling in Corfield v. Coryell, 6 Fed. Cas. 546 (1823), freedom of movement has been judicially recognized as a fundamental Constitutional right. In Paul v. Virginia, 75 U.S. 168 (1869), the Court defined freedom of movement as “right of free ingress into other States, and egress from them.
Of course, it won’t stop there
The Biden administration, other state governors and corporate leaders can also steer meetings and other travel away from states where the risk is highest. But in the short term, airports are a tangible first step, given the security apparatus already in place.
So, what next? Buses and trains? Taxis? Ubers? Carpooling? What then, if having a get-together at your house? Going to the grocery store? Where does it end?
Progressives care about ending the tRump pandemic. As explained in the article sometimes the federal government must act when states such as Florida, Texas, Missouri, Arkansas etc choose to allow their citizens to die and spread the contagion to the states that choose life.
Today’s nuCons consider any action by a Democrat to be Nazism. All politics, all the time.
NuCons are willing to allow Americans (including children) to die to enable their stranglehold on power.
Ah Rimjob, dipshit that he is, reverts back to his old and tiresome drama queen mode.
Just making up shit as he goes along.
#TheNarrativeIsFailing
Bwaha! Lolgf
Ah Teach, dipshit that he is, continues using his sock-puppy, Bungholio.
The tRumpublican mantra of no masks!, no vaccinations! is prolonging the pandemic.
And just keeps making up shit as he goes along. It’s all the poor thing has left.
Now Rimjob is starting to hyperventilate.
But then again he is a dipshit with nothing of substance to add.
#ItsTheVoices
Bwaha! Lolgf
But then again he is a Bungholio, with nothing of substance to add.
Again (or should I say “as usual”?) Elwood lies like a Nazi at Nuremburg to make his phony point. There is no mantra other than that of Freedom of Choice. Remember when Elwood and his commie pals were chanting “My body, My choice”? I do. They are all propagandists and liars.
no masks!, no vaccinations! is prolonging the pandemic.
Ahh remind me again why the LEFT OPENED THE BORDERS and is flying sick people to every state.
Remind me again why those people on the border are not wearing masks. Remind me again why you think this is a good idea? Yeah I can see how no masks and no vaccinations is a problem in the USA under DEMOCRATS AND BIDEN.
Pups,
Can you imagine a loser so desperate that all he can do in his free time is try to make others upset.
Ain’t workin’ … he’s my favorite dumbass. Funny that one.
Bwaha! Lolgf
Ain’t it amazing how someone who complained that President Trump was an authoritarian dictator thinks that President Biden has, should have, and should use, dictatorial powers?
Not at all. The usual mind set of tyrants like Elwood et al is that it’s always okay if they do it.
It’s as if nuCons are directly comparing their attempt to overturn an election/to overthrow the US gov’t to getting vaccinations to stop a pandemic.
A majority of nuGOPhers claim tRump won the election. (ProTip: He lost, bigly.)
It’s as if tRumpublicans are directly comparing their attempts to destroy American Democracy state by state to being made to wear a mask.
NuGOPher elites recognize that they can no longer win a national election, so voter suppression and gerrymandering is their strategy.
Communists realize they cannot win a national election without flooding the borders with illegal immigrants and then fraudulently getting them to vote.
Communists realize they must destroy democracy state by state by trying to federalize elections and tell Wyoming how to conduct elections.
Communists realize they must bleed the pandemic for as long as possible to control the people and keep hidden from plain sight their communist agenda of destroying American Capitalism.
I vote for the Republicans who are fighting for personal freedom, the constitution and individual rights of every citizen based upon the fair market value of a vote.
Democrats have raised more money under Obama twice and Biden once than any other candidate in history. Yet its so unfair cries Elwood as he throws himself on the lawn and does a hissy fit.
All one needs is evidence of fraudulent votes by anyone. Do you have any evidence at all?
Do you have evidence that non-citizens are voting?? Any at all??
Of course it’s the nuGOPhers bleeding the pandemic for as long as possible. It was the tRumpublican nuGOPhers who horrendously mishandled the pandemic, resulting in the worst global response. The US is the richest most technologically advanced nation ever and flubbed the Covid response.
Most tRumpublican voters are white nationalists terrified of losing their white privilege, and are throwing hissy fits daily.
Like everything else Joey tries to mandate this too shall fail because the science just isn’t as compelling as he and his junta wishes it to be.
Also the CDC was caught fudging its numbers again by the FDA.
#TheScienceIsSettled
#TrustUs
Bwaha! Lolgf
The Wall
BIDENS WALL.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/photos-crowded-migrant-holding-center-texas-democratic-congressman
These pictures were released by a DEMOCRAT.
Remember that the Z’s are a bunch of soy boy, pseudo-intellictual, high school kids with shit for brains. They are liberals as they think it makes them look intellectual, trying to impress girls who will give out sex for a dime.
Remember that david duke is a smelly old man with shit for brains. He can’t even claim to be pseudo-intellectual as he types little of substance.
He is a vile white supremacist who calls Black Americans inferior to neck-bearded peckerwoods, claiming his great experience makes him an expert on their stupidity and laziness.
He doesn’t understand that if his lies about Zachriel were true, it would mean he’s outwitted daily by high school soy-boys.
est1950: These pictures were released by a DEMOCRAT.
Now, compare to the picture of The Wall.
By the way, providing information about the migrant environment is essential to accountability and providing humane conditions. However, they don’t compare in terms of graveness.
https://brownstone.org/articles/the-meaning-of-the-fda-resignations/
#TrustUs
#ForYourOwnGood
Bwaha! Lolgf
I was called a liar for reporting on this when I suggested that they resigned due to pressure by the White House for doing something that was unsafe and not fully studied.
Consider the source.
Probably the dipshit that doesn’t do any research.
Bwaha! Lolgf
Waah!! Poor baby!
Did Mr est1950 find the evidence that the scientists resigned due to pressure by the White House for doing something that was unsafe and unstudied?
The scientists felt the WH overstepped its bounds in announcing boosters, which is true. Last week, the agency approved boosters for American seniors. The decision has nothing to do with safety or the extent of study.
Mr est1950 made unfounded assumptions about the resignations. He can call that a lie is he wishes. We’re used to that kind of right-wing bull on a right-wing site.
Elwood is referencing a CNBC(LYING MSM NETWORK) as his source.
When the two scientists signed a letter to the LANCET.
FDA scientists overseeing vaccines resigned two weeks ago ****************claiming dangerous booster shot rollout**************** by Fauci and Biden “could discredit all vaccines for a generation or more.â€
Letter to the most prestigious medical journal in the world calls on them to raise the alarm about the experimental injections before an even bigger disaster unfolds.
Stop calling me a liar. I was on this news before it was even news because YOU and your leftiest radicals refuse to look at reality and choose instead to listen to lies drummed up by a hyper partisan press.
Just as your using CNBC here rather than the letter signed by the TWO in question sent to LANCET. But lets ignore their own words and make up some of our own SCREAM THE COMMUNIST MAIN STREAM MEDIA.
And Mr est1970’s source? None. Got it. You complain about CNBC as a source and then supply exactly none yourself? You can read it now.
Here’s the actual letter to The Lancet that you couldn’t bother to cite (or read).
Here’s the conclusion from the letter.
The authors of the letter disagree with the Dr Fauci and the Biden administration. Good! In fact, the FDA agreed with the authors! Where Mr est1970 “stretched the truth” is in attributing concerns about “unsafe and unstudied” vaccines. It seems likely that Mr est1970 read right-wing summaries of the letter and adopted their assumptions rather than reading the letter himself (the letter was rather long and technical).
They wrote: The vaccines that are currently available are safe, effective, and save lives.
Arizona processed several hundred thousand voter ids with SS, only 58% matched records. Time for war.
Several states after observing what was going on in Arizona have concluded they need to do their own Forensic audit.
The left desperately needed to defeat Trump in 2020 in order for the Great Reset to happen. Don’t be fooled the left fully understood what was happening in China was going to end badly for the world. This was the time to USE COVID to end American Capitalism and that is exactly what the left is attempting to do in this nation as we speak.
Cloward and Piven the USA into the ground.
Whatever happened to the Arizona/Cyber Ninja/GOPher “audit”? Weren’t the results supposed to be released by now? LOL. All politics, all the time. The Arizona “audit” is the hydroxychloroquine of democracy.
America needed to defeat tRump, and we did, bigly. Loser tRump was very unpopular and was voted out. Since then he’s been whining like the whiny little titty baby he’s always been, even going so far as fomenting revolution on Jan 6, urging his camo shirts to stop the certification of the vote. He’s a traitor.
david7134: Arizona processed several hundred thousand voter ids with SS, only 58% matched records.
Citation please.
david7134: Time for war.
Apparently, the claim about insurrectionists on the political right has some element of truth.
Jeff,
So it is your contention that 82 million people in the US are so stupid as to vote for an elderly crook who is suffering from advanced dementia and is actively working to destroy our country and our lives. I am referring to your man Biden. Trump was the best president we had, but his tough talk obviously scared you.
david duke,
Yes, several million more Americans voted for now President Biden than for ex-prez tRump.
tRump’s dishonesty, authoritarian streak, ignorance and hatred of Democracy should have concerned all Americans. tRump’s faux-toughness, cruelty and bullying appealed to a subset of overcompensating American men (re-watch the videos of the storming of the US Capitol Building for example after example).
The distinguished Mr Dowd proves my point:
Above, in this very thread, I wrote:
There you go, Mr Dowd complaining about President Trump’s “authoritarian streak,” while Joe Biden, and several Democratic governors, have been actually exercising their authoritarian streaks!
Mr Dana claims that America’s centuries long vaccine mandates are “dictatorial” but tRump’s attempt to overturn an election was/is not “authoritarian”.
Was Gov De Santis’ (R-FL) order that local school districts NOT issue mask mandates either dictatorial or authoritarian?
Het asshole, notice how none of the so-called BELIEVERS you worship at the Emmys wore masks? Why is that? Yet their slaves were forced to work while wearing masks. Why is that? You are all fukin liars Elwood. You your stealing leader and all those millionaires you worship.
You’re still confused because you are programmed to believe the lies: Trump never tried to overturn an election. bIden stole one and overthrew the Republic. Then went on to destroy our economy, wipe out our energy independence, eradicate our small businesses, run like cowards from Afghanistan, betray our troops and allies and murder a family of ten to distract from his failure.
How could an order requiring NOT to force people against their willto do something be dictatorial or authoritarian? Only in the Bizzaro world of communists and Elwoods could not forcing others to do your will be considered dictatorial.
So in your world Elwood is stealing considered altruism? Greed, generosity? Ego, humility?
Why are you commies so fukin stupid?
Teach is an asshole, as are you.
So, your defense, such as it is, is that what amounted to a college keg party getting out of hand constitutes ‘authoritarian’ action? That would be laughable if I didn’t know you are actually serious. You actually think that your support of authoritarian action is OK, because you claim the ‘other side’ is doing it, too.
An out of hand college keg party? How quaint.
The outgoing president of the US, defeated handily in an election, urged his assembled group of loyalists to march on the Capitol to overturn the election. He recited a long list of lies, whines and grievances to work up the claimed crowd of 250,000 “patriots”.
And walk to the Capitol they did, except for tRump, who hung back for some reason. And many stormed the Capitol Building shouting “Hang Mike Pence!”, even bringing a makeshift gallows! VP Pence evidently consulted former VP Dan Quayle to try to find a way out of the box that tRump put him in.
Keggers rarely threaten a democracy.
If tRump had told the truth on Jan 6, i.e., “Thank you all for this show of support! We lost a hard fought election, and although we have policy differences with the Democrats, in a constitutional republic we value the peaceful transfer of power”, would the “keggers” have stormed the US Capitol Building?
What were they “protesting” if not the outcome of the election?
david7134: So it is your contention that 82 million people in the US are so stupid as to vote for an elderly crook who is suffering from advanced dementia and is actively working to destroy our country and our lives.
From the Duke vs. Edwards campaign: “Vote for the crook. It’s important.”
WOW the amount of disinformation ELWOOD FLUNG IN THIS POST IS MIND BLOWING.
He says:
The vaccines that are currently available are safe, effective, and save lives. The limited supply of these vaccines will save the most lives if made available to people who are at appreciable risk of serious disease and *********have not yet received any vaccine.******** YES I AGREE.
YET we were discussing BOOSTERS or a THIRD SHOT BY PFIZER which is why the two Scientists at the FDA quit and wrote a letter. They did not claim the vaccines were unsafe. AT ALL. They were opposed to boosters to the general public.
In fact as Elwood then points out the FDA voted 16-2 that boosters should only be given to those over 65 and those who are immuno-compromised. Not to everyone which is what the White House was wanting to do.
Once again Elwood misdirecting into false information in order to save face because he so desperately wants to prove everyone wrong here no matter what they post.
give it a rest Elwood. I do my research and in this case I heard from co-workers of the two doctors as to why they were leaving. It is what WE DO. Dig up the truth before anyone else even cares.
I have NOT claimed the vaccines are unsafe having been vaccinated myself. IN fact my entire family has been vaccinated minus any children under the age of 13. I have many kids and grand kids and if they are eligible they are vaccinated.
Again Elwood claims I said the vaccines are unsafe. That is his attempt at covering his own flailing attempt to Saul Alinsky me to make people not listen to what I say when I speak.
Vaccines are as safe as they can be. Every vaccine MAY illicit some kind of negative effect in a certain percent of people. Vaccines give your immune system the ability to have a leg up on a pretty serious illness. Unlike others I do believe Covid is serious. I think people who do not get vaccines have that right, but I disagree with them unless their is a moral, religious or health reason they choose this course of action.
So lets put to rest one thing. I am not a huge fan of masks. That is true, but I do believe the vaccine is going to prevent you from getting seriously Sick from covid if you have taken it. I do believe that in the long run nearly everyone in the world will end up with covid. Because vaccines are only looking to by 70-80 percent effective not 95 percent as claimed.
Mr est1950 promoted that the “two scientists” resigned from the FDA because of concerns about the “safety” and “lack of study” of the vaccines. He typed the words, not us.
There is nothing in the letter to the editors of The Lancet to suggest the authors were worried about the safety and lack of study of the vaccines. Mr est1950 is moving the goalposts and trying to cover up for his past false claim. We are pleased that he now admits the scientists did not resign out of concerns for the “safety” and “lack of study” of the vaccines.
Thus ends the dispute, except that Mr est1950 now has “inside information” about what the two scientists “really believe”. Spare us.
The quote he attributes to us “The vaccines that are currently available are safe, effective, and save lives,” is directly from the letter from the FDA scientists (and 16 other non-FDA scientists) in The Lancet.
Their concern was whether booster shots are preferable to wider primary vaccinations, which is a valid scientific/medical debate. The 18 authors concluded that it would be preferable to vaccinate more people than to have boosters saying, “The limited supply of these vaccines will save the most lives if made available to people who are at appreciable risk of serious disease and have not yet received any vaccine”.
This is an argument best had amongst the experts and policy makers.
But again, nuCons who are fully vaccinated themselves hypocritically continue to spread disinformation about vaccines for some reason. Of course they think the vaccines are protective, otherwise why would they get vaccinated?