This is rather a big switch. Not that long ago a majority of businesses were talking about implementing a vaccine mandate. Now, in mid-December, that’s changed
Survey finds 75% of employers won’t have vaccine ban if US mandate is struck down
More than two-thirds of U.S. employers recently surveyed have no plans to make vaccination a condition of work, if courts ultimately strike down the Biden administration’s mandate for large employers.
According to the survey of 1,000 randomly selected members of the Society for Human Resources Management, 75% said they’re not likely to implement either of the mandate’s central directives — full vaccination or weekly testing — should a permanent court ruling make the measure illegal.
“The majority of employers and HR professionals that we chatted with are really in wait-and-see-mode,” Annemarie Schaefer, SHRM’s head of research, told Yahoo Finance. “So they don’t even know what to expect.”
Fifty-one percent of employers with 100 or more employees who responded to the survey indicated they will hold off on vaccination policy decisions until the legal challenges are settled. (Fifty-three percent of the 1,000 respondents employed more than 100 workers.)
There was a lot of support for this early on from businesses, that seems to have cooled off.
According to SHRM, employers subject to the mandate cited numerous challenges to implementing it. Seventy-three percent said the legal challenges made implementation difficult, while 65% said the rule poses challenges for managing employee morale. Fifty-nine percent cited record keeping requirements as sticking points, while 56% cited employee retention concerns.
And, perhaps, once Brandon’s un-Constitutional mandates are shot down, there might be more companies that do implement their own versions, be it requiring vaccination, masking and testing for the un-vaxxed (you’d think they might have done this long ago if it was Important), or both. I suspect most will look and say “we’ve barely had any issues in almost two years, there’s no need to complicate things.” In a business with around 100 employees in the building I’ve only seen the COVID notice perhaps 8-10 times since this began, and none have gotten seriously ill. A couple have been due to being around a family member who had it, so, they sat out and got tested.
Without Brandon’s mandates most will just work to get back to normal while Brandon tries to extend things out.
Meanwhile, the Supreme Court declined to take up the health care mandate for NY State, which has no religious exemptions. They did not say why, but, really, this is the right decision. It’s a state thing, not a federal thing.
I cannot understand the continuing din for a “vaccine” mandate. First, it’s not a vaccine, it’s a shot. They keep changing the definition of vaccine in an attempt to keep abreast of the failures of the current shot but seem to be failing.
But most importantly the new “variant” is not real responsive to the current shot which was designed for the original Covid. Plus, the new variant is very mild and so far not very lethal at all. But the real farce is that now whether a person is “vaxxed” or not they can catch, carry and transmit Covid. The only difference is if one is non vaxxed he can get a more severe case of Covid and stands a slightly higher rate of fatality although still nearly zero.
So why fire people and ruin lives and surrender freedom, mobility etc. for a mandate that no longer matters? Haven’t we reached that sweet spot all the “experts” were talking about 2 years ago? How long are Americans going to run around being lead by the nose by Karen’s and panicked, hysterical harridans and their eunuch partners?
CarolAnn: First, it’s not a vaccine, it’s a shot.
Is the flu vaccine a vaccine?
Harridan and her eunuch partner: How long are Americans going to run around being lead by the nose by Karen’s and panicked, hysterical harridans and their eunuch partners?
When the Covid fatality rate drops below 400,000 Americans per year or when the hypocritical vaccinated anti-vaxxers stop encouraging the the spread of the disease.
Whichever occurs first.
Less publicized was the survey finding that businesses that continued to support vaxx mandates would experience a 3000% increase in unexplained catastrophic fires, and 42% of CEOs decided to scrap vaxx mandates after receiving random pictures of their spouses and school-aged children during their everyday activities from anonymous senders.
Experts say there is no reason these facts should be correlated with the rapidly shrinking enthusiasm for carrying the government’s water on COVID vaxx mandates.
The US Supreme Court has declined to halt the Maine and NY state vaccine mandates.
According to The New York Times, not exactly an evil reich-wing source:
What would be the point of vaccine mandates given that the
XiOmicron infections do not appear to be slowed at all by the vaccines? Remember: “Three-quarters of the Omicron cases are in people who have received two vaccine doses, which is about the same fraction of the entire country that’s fully vaccinated.” If those numbers hold up, that means, statistically, that the vaccines have zero effectiveness in preventing infection. If the only thing that the vaccines are doing is to lessen the severity of the disease symptoms, it means that choosing not to get vaccinated impacts only that individual, not those around him.Dana: If the only thing that the vaccines are doing is to lessen the severity of the disease symptoms, it means that choosing not to get vaccinated impacts only that individual, not those around him.
But the vaccines were effective at preventing the spread of previous variants. And a three-shot regime is believed to be effective against Omicron, as well. Were you against mandates before Omicron?
I was against all of the mandates, from the very beginning of this stupidity. I was against the closure of businesses, the closure of churches!, the mask mandates, the vaccine mandates, the vaccine passports, all of the authoritarian controls imposed. You don’t have to be a conspiracy theorist to note that if there was an actual conspiracy to more greatly subjugate the population to greater government control, the conspirators wouldn’t do much differently than is already being done.
‘It’s for our own good’ has been the mantra, for centuries, as dictators have imposed authoritarian controls. Taking the vaccines is a good idea, but forcing people to do so is not.
Dana: I was against all of the mandates, from the very beginning of this stupidity.
So, you were fitting the evidence to your conclusions, rather than drawing your conclusions from the evidence.
Dana: You don’t have to be a conspiracy theorist to note that if there was an actual conspiracy to more greatly subjugate the population to greater government control, the conspirators wouldn’t do much differently than is already being done.
Most government is coercion, including making you stop when the light is red. The power of government to act during epidemics is deeply rooted in the common law that undergirds limited governance.
Mr Z wrote:
If by stating that my philosophy, of maximum freedom and liberty, is “fitting the evidence to your conclusions,” you might be right, but that’s not the case.
Note that I wrote, on March 30, 2020, at the beginning of this s(tuff): COVID-19: It is our Constitution which is at the greatest risk of death.
I also asked, on April 12, 2020, What would the left see as going too far?
Dana: What would the left see as going too far?
In the U.S. isolation (of those who are infectious) and quarantine (of those who may have been exposed) powers are available to both the state and federal government, the latter largely restricted to interstate or international matters. However, those powers can’t be exercised in an “arbitrary, oppressive and unreasonable” manner, with the courts being the arbiter.
In your link, each of those affected had the right to take the matter to court. But, frankly, if they are infected or may have been exposed, the courts will generally allow isolation and quarantine. That’s according to common law and according to statutory law in most jurisdictions.
But, sure, shout “Sic semper tyrannis” when you get a ticket for running a red light. If they can tell you when to stop and when to go, what couldn’t they make you do?
Mr Z wrote:
Really? The courts were mostly closed down, and even for those which weren’t, the quarantine orders lasted less time, 14 days, than a court case would have taken.
Reichsstatthalter Andy Beshear (NSDAP-KY) ordered all churches closed as of March 20, 2020. Yes, he was sued in federal court, and the court ruled that his order was unconstitutional . . . in mid-June, after churches had been closed for ten weeks. For ten weeks, the Bluegrass State was under orders that every thinking person — a definition which does exclude liberals — recognized as wholly unconstitutional, and the order was eventually enjoined, but that meant for ten weeks we were living under tyranny.
When a few churches defied the Reichsstatthalter’s orders, to open for services on Easter Sunday, the holiest day in the Christian calendar, Herr Beshear sent the Staatspolizei to record license plates and vehicle identification numbers of cars in the church parking lots, to send them quarantine orders, and the left were just fine with that.
No government should have the power to restrict people’s freedom of religion.
Dana: {Gov. Andy Beshear} ordered all churches closed as of March 20, 2020. Yes, he was sued in federal court, and the court ruled that his order was unconstitutional . . . in mid-June, after churches had been closed for ten weeks.
A temporary restraining order was in place on May 8. Furthermore, the court recognized the legitimate interests of the government. Where the government exceeded their authority was by treating churches more strictly than “HomeDepot and Kroger”. Churches still had to meet other government standards for social distancing and hygiene standards mandated for other gatherings.
There were two valid interests at play, and the courts had to strike a balance. That’s not tyranny. That’s how it’s support to work.
Was listening to an infectious disease specialists from Johns Hopkins talk about the Omicron is the equivalent of winning the lottery for the human race.
A virus rarely does what omicron does. Make itself very easy to target and kill with tweaked vaccines.
Make itself more transmissible but way less deadly.
Make itself so strong that everyone will get it and when they do these people will become immune to it.
Omicron is Sars-cov2’s swan song according to this infectious disease expert. It has done so many incredibly stupid things for a virus that it is now standing on the gallows with a rope around its neck because it will sweep the planet in months and then be ended by self immunity.
Never fear though, the left will lock us all down to prevent that so they can mail in more ballots in 2022 and 2024.
Zombies are Cool: A virus rarely does what omicron does. Make itself very easy to target and kill with tweaked vaccines.
Coronaviruses have been very effective in terms of their evolution, and even when the pandemic ends, it doesn’t mean COVID will disappear. Even if a particular variant goes extinct, its children will continue to evolve, and it is almost certain there will be future coronavirus pandemics.
Societies that become adept at implementing countermeasures to pandemics will prosper, while those that fight against even simple measures will suffer.
Did you get your PhD in epidemiology at the same school you got your degree in Minority Studies and Immigration Policies?
You have a stupefying attitude of superiority and arrogance only capable by the mind of a radical leftist. But it is fun to watch you troll around here blessing the lesser with your magnificent intellect. It’s almost as enjoyable as agreeing with Elwood that murdering black, colored and poor zygotes is an honorable goal. The idea that calling a criminal filthy is somehow racist really requires a preconceived notion that crime is in itself a racist act. It assumes the race of the criminal. I guess.
I would be amused should you or your loved ones find yourself compromised by a filthy criminal illegal. Wonder how that would turn out?
Once again LGB has nothing to add. Mr Zachriel actually did add valuable information.
After you typed your tripe, it likely occurred to you how inconsistent your message was. You criticized Zachriel for not having a PhD in epidemiology (he may or may not), but you refuse to believe what a PhD in epidemiology or virology tells you!
And yes, calling immigrants at the southern border “filthy criminals” is racist. Just as FJB and LGB are political and vulgar.
L.G.Brandon: You have a stupefying attitude of superiority and arrogance only capable by the mind of a radical leftist.
Which part of our comment do you find to be in error?
Brandon,
Careful with the Z, the little high school shit will call you an ad homo.
Jeff,
Neither you or the little high school kid have knowledge or experience that qualifies you to make an educated comment on health matters. The Z is only relating material from wiki pedia.
david Porter,
You claim to be an erstwhile physician, but your comments here don’t support that claim.
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Dana: No government should have the power to restrict people’s freedom of religion.
Polygamy? Rattlesnake handling? Child brides? Christian Science parents allowing children to suffer and die? Clitorectomies? Betzitzah B’peh by a mohel? Human sacrifice?