This is exactly what is supposed to happen: the citizens and legislatures should determine the fate of abortion in their states
Pennsylvania’s GOP-led Senate advances constitutional amendment on abortion
The Pennsylvania state Senate advanced a proposal Thursday that would amend the state constitution to include clear language that states there is no constitutional right to abortion.
The proposal, advanced by the Republican-led upper chamber, states that there is no constitutional right to a taxpayer funded abortion or any right whatsoever to abortion in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
The amendment was added on to a bill that included many constitutional amendments, including on that would require Pennsylvania residents to show legal identification in order to vote in state elections.
The Pennsylvania state constitution does not give the governor the power to veto constitutional amendments, nor do constitutional amendments require the governor’s support to be enacted.
Amendments to the constitution in Pennsylvania are passed after they’re proposed in the state’s House or Senate and then approved by the majority in each chamber during two elective sessions.
The amendment also must be published for Pennsylvanians to see at least three months prior to the next election, and then be approved by the majority in the state’s House and Senate once more following the election.
Afterwards, to finalize the outcome of the amendment, it would then go to the Pennsylvanians’ ballot for a vote.
So, it won’t be fast. Unless the GOP loses either the House or Senate, it will pass in two consecutive sessions. Then, it must go to a ballot. Would they have to wait till 2024, or, could they call a special election? They’ll need to get it passed ASAP, before August 7th, as election day is November 8th.
Obviously, the Democrats do not like this
Pennsylvania Sen. John Costa (D) stated that the Republican bill was “designed to prevent abortions in this commonwealth.” He wrote on Twitter that “the governor is elected statewide to have a final say on the issues that impact citizens statewide,” and claimed that the proposal was a political work-around.
Pretty sure that the power of making law is invested in the General Assembly and The People, not the governor. And Democrats do not like that this could be a Pa. constitutional amendment, because they do not like when people have the opportunity to vote against what Democrats want. You know they’ll sue. I wonder which other states will push amendments.
More: looks like Kansas will have a vote very soon
(Wichita Eagle) Kansas voters will decide Aug. 2 whether the state constitution should include the right to an abortion. A vote no would continue that right. A vote yes would remove it, and Kansas lawmakers would be free to further restrict abortion, including banning the procedure. (snip)
Kansas will be the first state in the country to vote on the issue since the high court’s ruling. Dollars have been flowing in from out of state to support both sides. Some say what happens in Kansas could shape what happens in other states.
I have a big problem with all the out of state money, regardless of what it supports. Out of state people/entities need to mind their own business. We’ll see what happens in August. Anyone else think that we’ll be watching the vote count, and, if it starts supporting a Yes vote, all of a sudden things will start getting weird, with voting stopped in some places, ballots suddenly appearing, etc?
Again, the amendment must garner the votes of the people of Pennsylvania who oppose the GOP ban.
The majority of Americans oppose a ban on abortion. Let the people, not the GOPhers, decide.
Teach: Pretty sure that the power of making law is invested in the General Assembly and The People, not the governor.
The governor can veto legislation which the legislature can override with a 2/3rd vote. Pretty sure it’s in the PA Constitution.
Amendments are subject to a statewide vote by citizens.
Something like 85% of Americans (including Pennsylvanians) oppose unlimited abortion. Which is good. There is no reason for unlimited baby killing other than birth control and I don’t think birth control is a good reason to kill our offspring. Perhaps Dowd can enlighten us as to what point abortion should be limited if at all or if any person at any time should be able to terminate his/her/their children.
If abortion does not have limits then it will be out of control. Abortion as we all know is NOT a constitutional right. The different states will be able to choose to what degree they will allow abortion which is about as fair as we’re gonna get. I guess that’s about the best we who love life and children can expect from people who do not.
FJB
Of course the argument is not about “unlimited” abortion, which has never existed. According to the CDC, 92% of abortions are performed by 13 weeks gestation, another 7% by 20 weeks, and 1% after 20 weeks. Roe v Wade did not “allow” “unlimited” abortion.
Does that support the notion that abortion “is out of control”?
Some women develop problems after 20 weeks – women who undergo abortions later in pregnancy typically do so because of a fetal anomaly or a potentially fatal complication. Women rarely carry a fetus to near-term to suddenly decide she doesn’t want a baby – they’ve likely picked a name and outfitted their nursery, before being forced to decide with their doctors to end their pregnancy.
States that ban all abortions forcing women to another state will make later term abortion even MORE frequent. A Louisiana woman needing an abortion will have to travel over 800 miles for care.
The belief that a fertilized egg is a person from the instance of fertilization, the belief that terminating pregnancies as a result of rape or incest or the belief that a woman should die to save a fetus is untenable.
The guy from the Gateway City who both supports pre-natal infanticide and St Louisians killing each other indiscriminately wrote:
If the unborn child is a person and a living human being, which he is! and he is going to be slaughtered via prenatal infanticide, what difference does it make if it is later during gestation?
The Catholic from Kentucky supports controlling women and forcing raped 12 year old girls to have babies. Must be a Kentucky thing.
There is no such thing as pre-natal infanticide. Is masturbation pre-conception infanticide? And every month most females lose an unfertilized egg. That’s several billion babies lost over the course of American women’s reproductive life.
A fertilized egg is not a person or a living human being no matter how many times he repeats it. It’s a belief. One could make the argument that a fetus that can survive outside the womb should not be aborted.
A fertilized egg is not a baby. Even a Kentuckian would agree that a living, breathing woman has more significance than a fertilized egg with a 50% chance of surviving a few days.
Jeff,
No Dana is not controlling women. In fact if anyone here were in favor of one group limiting the freedom of another it would be you and your communist buddies. Your purpose here is to refute any criticism of your carbon myth, and you very much desire to control us through useless government action to show homage to your carbon god.
Dana indicates that a combination of male and female result in a being infuse with a spirit of God of the Bible. That is his belief system. Your belief system, of your carbon god, can not compete with the Judeo Christian belief no matter what sacrifice you offer.
But consider this, life really does not start in the conventional since until I or another doctor decrees that the child is alive and at that time we decide the sex, nothing you can do about that as a pharmacist. Oh, and we decide when you are dead.
Let’s Go Brandon! is code for: “My self-driving pick-up left me for another man”.
LOL! The feminist from the Gateway City wrote:
Thanks to a fortuitous incident, conservatives have a shorthand way to both mock the left and convey the message, “F(ornicate) Joe Biden!” without using profanity. Since so many liberal writers can’t form a coherent paragraph without profanity in it, I can see why the left really, really don’t like “Let’s go, Brandon!”
The Ohio GOP has a bill requiring internal and external “genital inspections” of high school and state college and university trans athletes.
The GOP has become the party of government intrusion.
Yes, because who isn’t against males competing in women’s sporting events? The libs “concerns” about women seem to be very selective…
I don’t have a pick-up truck you stupid self-fucking pussy. The democrat party morphed into the US commie party and is now the party of government OPPRESSION!!!!
Now your Antifa thugs are hunting down SC justices because they are no longer allowed the freedom of an American citizen because they made a decision you baby killers don’t like.
I say we should all carry and any time a leftist gets out of line, well, you fill in the blank.
FJB and Dowd the Nazi.
Ruh-roh. L.G. is triggered!
Trigger warning! The next comment may trigger L.G.
Let’s Go Brandon is code for, “My side piece is knocked-up but thank god Florida hasn’t banned abortion yet, so no child support for me!”
Righists are banning books, speech and abortions, but call others fascists and Nazis. There is no “right to eat at a restaurant in peace” in the Constitution. Maybe the GOP can ban protesting government policies.
Dear Elwood:
“Righists are banning books, speech and abortions, but call others fascists and Nazis.”
Uh, no. The only people banning, burning and deplatforming are Lefties.
The GOP used the amendment process to get around Pennsylvania’s stupid governor and his vetoes of laws designed to rein in his executive authority on COVID measures, and the voters added it to the state constitution.
Joe Biden carried Pennsylvania by 80,555 votes, but that was due to an advantage of over 400,000 votes in Philadelphia. Absent Philly, Pennsylvania is a solidly conservative state.
Except for the people, Pennsylvania is a solidly conservative state! LOL.
The votes of the citizens in the Pittsburgh and Philadelphia metro areas (about 1/2 the population of the state) still count as a whole vote and not 3/5th vote. Remember, people vote, acreage does not. Biden also trounced Don Jon in Dauphin, Centre, Lackawanna, Monroe and Erie counties, away from the major population centers.
Since 1988 the only GOPher presidential victory was Don Jon by 44,000 votes in 2016! But in 2020 “da Dems cheated and beat” Don Jon by over 80,000, LOL.
We’re all aware that rural Americans are more conservative than urban and suburban Americans. We’re also aware that conservatives consider urbanites and suburbanites less “American” than ruralites.
The GOP has capitalized on this to maintain control of legislatures in many red and purple states. States with greater numbers of Dem than GOP voters still elect GOP legislatures!! GOPhers has always been superior practitioners of raw political power! America is a republic not a democracy!!
Given the huge murder rate in Killadelphia, the best solution would be to simply wall the whole place off, like Escape from New York, and just treat the whole place like a prison!
Your points about Harrisburg, Erie and Pittsburgh miss the point, because even with all of those places counted, President Trump received 3,244,934 (52.56%) votes to Mr Biden’s 2,844,934 (46.23%). Throw out Philadelphia, and even with the Philadelphia ‘collar counties,’and even with the more metropolitan areas.
Old and nuConservatives have always considered black urbanites less American than white ruralites. Always.
Mx Dana is playing games. Throw out Philly and all the ruralite counties and President Biden would still have become President Biden.
Don Jon tReason attempted to get several states to throw out Biden votes.
It seems if one counts all the votes in PA the conservatives are outnumbered. No doubt the sparsely occupied rural counties are more conservative than the metro areas where those millions live.
In 2020 there were 5 times more drug overdose deaths than murders in PA. Why does he never bring up overdose deaths?
No Jeff, you are wrong. Black votes are respected, as long as fraud is not associated with the process. Dems are notorious for establishing controlled areas were an individual frequently generated several votes. The whole of the 9th ward in New Orleans was an area of controlled voting by the Dems and after Katrina the difference was apparent.
Dear Elwood:
“Remember, people vote, acreage does not.”
True enough.
The difficulty is that the “acreage” defines the desires of the people.
The majority in the large cities want a Leftie government. The rest of us want a slightly conservative government.
Leaving aside the fact the 2020 election was stolen, there is a great divide in many states that only 1 or 2 large cities governing the rest of the state… WA, CA, IL, MN, NY, et al, immediately come to mind.
Perhaps it is time that we make the large cities states. Certainly the SF/LA/San Diego area has little in common with the rest of the state.
Mr Lewis is still doing tRump’s bidding. No, the election wasn’t stolen any more than Obama was gay or born in Kenya or tRump is a christian. You claim it was stolen because tRump claims it was stolen. He says it, you believe it, that settles it. tRump is lying to all of you.
It’s an interesting idea of dividing states into smaller states, or combining regions.
The Constitution says:
It’s true that both conservatives in blue states and liberals in red states are unhappy, largely since we’ve forgotten how to compromise.
I used to think we all wanted pretty much the same thing, freedoms, ability to support a family, personal safety, environmental protections, national security… or… establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity…
Now, it’s not so clear.
No, there was massive fraud with the 2020 election. And Jeff, you told CarolAnn that you would not exchange comments with her if she believed this. So that means you don’t care to address everyone on this board. You have never thought that we have common desire. From day one you have been here preaching government take over and your communism, never jointly finding solutions to our numerous problems caused by Obama and now Biden.
Dear Elwood:
Yes there massive fraud and you know it.
But I don’t expect you to admit it. But tell me this. How come it was only in Democrat controlled areas that shut down the vote count and then opened up hours later with thousands of new votes….all for Sleepy Joe?
And you can’t be talking about comprise when the House’s 1/6 lynch mob doesn’t have an equal number of Demos and Repubs?? And no, Cheney doesn’t count as a Repub.
Teach: I have a big problem with all the out of state money…
But aren’t political contributions free speech? Do you really want to stop the Republicans and the GOP from donating to their favored Senatorial candidates? Sounds like a state-by-state issue.
We DO ban foreign contributions.
We DO ban foreign contributions.
If you knew anything about law, business or business law you’d know “foreign” means out of state and “alien” means out of country. Out of state contributions (read bribes/funding/election tampering) are legal and are considered foreign contributions. But you don’t care as long as your corrupt party wins every election every time. You filthy commie.
FJB and his dog Dowd.
Let’s Go Brandon! is code for, “I bought my Ruger AR556 with my first disability payment!”
Here in a poor state, we had millions of dollars coming in for the high-priced but still losing campaigns for Amy McGrath Henderson, for the Sixth District House seat in 2018, and then for the Senate seat held by Mitch McConnell in 2020. Mrs Henderson raised $8 million, the vast majority from out of state, against Representative Andy Barr’s $5 mil, but still lost by 3%. Against Senator McConnell, she raised over $95 million, compared to the then- and hopefully-future Majority Leader’s $61 million, and lost by a landslide margin.
This year’s Democratic senatorial nominee, former state Representative Charles Booker — the ‘progressive’ candidate who narrowly lost the senatorial nomination to Mrs Henderson in 2020 — isn’t having nearly the fund raising success against Senator Rand Paul, because Democrats have finally realized that they are just wasting their money.
Are you kidding? For Dems, this is a gift from God. They would much rather fund raise and campaign on this than on Joe Biden’s 40+ years of corruption and ineptness plus his current failure as president: high gas prices, selling oil from strategic reserve to china, collapsing stock market, huge inflation, high death rates from COVID vax while his administration keeps pushing COVID vax on even toddlers now, anf freak show cabinet.
It is bad timing and it would be nice for people to resolve the issue. But the good news is that the election is more than four months and Americans can not remember more than four weeks.
I don’t see how women feel the lack of freedom when all they must do is pass a law to achieve what they desire. With the judicial control, they really did not have freedom.