Interesting how Democrats spend more time threatening Israel than they do Hamas, eh?
Kamala Harris Says ‘Consequences’ Possible if Israel Raids Rafah; ‘I Have Studied the Maps’
Vice President Kamala Harris said on Sunday that the administration had not ruled out “consequences” for Israel if it defied President Joe Biden and attacked Hamas in the southern Gaza city of Rafah.
Biden has warned Israel publicly not to attack Hamas in Rafah, due to the presence of large numbers of civilians there, which the terrorist group uses as human shields. Israel says that it cannot win the war without defeating the last four Hamas battalions in Rafah.
Harris’s spoke to ABC News on Sunday, telling a reporter that “I have studied the maps” of southern Gaza:
In a wide-ranging new interview with ABC News, Vice President Kamala Harris suggested there could be “consequences” for Israel if it moves ahead with a planned invasion of Rafah in its pursuit of Hamas fighters.
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[Senior congressional correspondent Rachel] Scott followed up: “Are you ruling out that there would be consequences from the United States?”
“I am ruling out nothing,” Harris replied.
Yeah, well, if this is anything like her being border czar, absolutely nothing will happen. Regardless, perhaps the Biden regime should spend their time getting Hamas to give up their hostages, for which there are 6 known Americans, and put down their arms, since they broke the ceasefire, rather than yammering at Israel, the nation that was attacked. But, the Democratic Party base is made up of Israel haters, who’ve gone so far down that road that they hate Jews and support Islamic extremists. Those same Islamists treat women like garbage and are happy to destroy everything that Democrats love.
She can’t rule anything out because she is ignorant of all the options. Ruling things out requires knowledge, judgement, and the ability to articulate a course of action. All of those things are beyond the ability of Biden and Harris. Even a moron should be able to rule out a land invasion of Israel by the US Marines. Seriously? Harris cannot even rule out SEAL teams assassinating the Knesset or nuking Jerusalem?
For Israel, the consequences of not raiding Hamas last stronghold are worse than raiding it.
Even the esteemed Mr Dowd, who is utterly appalled by the destruction in Gaza, has admitted that Hamas must be destroyed. Well, the process of destroying Hamas is extremely violent and messy; that’s what war is! But Prime Minister Netanyahu and the more conservative government have seen the evidence of history: each time Israel has given the Arabs a cease-fire following an Israeli victory, they have left the Arabs with the basis on which to reconstitute and attack Israel again.
I’ve said it hundreds of times, maybe more than a thousand: Israel should have expelled every last Arab from the land they seized in 1967. I don’t know if they are going to try to expel every Arab from Gaza this time, and it will be difficult: the only border is with Egypt, but they should do it if possible.
Dana,
Sadly* there are no good solutions to this that don’t lead to Israel adding their own name to the list of genocides. I do not believe Israel is at the point yet of exterminating or forcefully expelling the population of Gaza. Once they scrub the toilet bowl and dump in some bleach, they will go back to hoping Hamas learns their lesson and stops being Hamas. Similarly, as bad as things are in the USA, it is unimaginable that Americans will start rounding up aliens and stuffing them into boxcars for a trip to the southern border. We just aren’t there yet. Our last two revolutions took decades of abuse before people took up arms.
*”Sadly”, because not having any viable solution is sad. Genocide is not a viable solution.
The estimable Mr Dana ignores that the actions of the Netanyahu regime is creating new Hamas-type terrorists every day. The destruction of all Israel-hating Arabs is a pipe-dream. Netanyahu could nuke Lebanon, Jordan, Rafah, Qatar, Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Iran killing a half billion Arabs and still not be safe.
Hamas and other radical Islamist groups refuse to recognize Israel as a state. On the other hand much of the Arab world would likely accept a negotiated two-state solution – an independent Israel and an independent state of Palestine. And then it would be up to Israel, “Palestine”, and the more peaceful Arab nations, and the UN to make peace (and root out terrorists). The process today is not working and is unlikely to ever work.
The Israelis have the sovereign right and responsibility to defend their citizens and country from Hamas terrorism.
It does not matter what others think.
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Obviously, this is the narrow interpretation. Reality falls more towards the “everyone matters”. If Israel were totally self sufficient (they are not) then it could tell the USA to get bent. If Israel had no intentions of every conducting trade or have their passports recognized outside Israel, they could similarly tell the rest of the world to pound sand. They are not that independent. International dependencies bring with them strings that are not so easily cut. If that were not so, international sanctions would be meaningless. Israel doesn’t have “Elon Musk level of go F yourself” money. In the extreme, they cannot become so bothersome to their neighbors that Arab-Israeli war #6 looks like a better choice and it becomes the Israelis who are exterminated or forcefully expelled.
The right answer for Israel is going to be some sort of eventual cease fire to appease the international community. They will have had enough pounds of Hamas flesh to satisfy the demands of the aggrieved parties. Oddly enough, no one will accuse them of being Chamberlain to Hamas’ Hitler when they do come to terms. C’mon, Mr Neville Netanyahu. Just a few square miles of Gaza/West Bank/Sudetenland and Hamas will be satisfied.
As I said about Ukraine, all conflicts end eventually with negotiated settlements. Only the ignorant think otherwise and only aristocrats chant for the serfs to “fight to the death”.
Well-reasoned. Kudos.
The good professor wrote:
Actually, in the last war we actually won, it ended with unconditional surrender. We occupied their countries, reconfigured their political institutions and educational systems, and had killed enough of their fighting aged men, and boys growing into fighting age, to keep them from reconstituting themselves into renewed threats.
What country should Israel “occupy, reconfiguring their political institutions and educational systems, and kill enough of their fighting aged men, and boys growing into fighting age to keep them from reconstituting themselves into renewed threats.”?
Do you believe Israel’s objective is to kill/starve enough of those “boys” in Gaza to deplete the feedstock for war? Or just that is should be their objective? It seems that the entire Western world objects as do Muslim nations.
@Dana.
I agree with your main point. But even that conflict ended with the negotiation and signing of treaties. One-sided though the negotiation may have been, representatives of the Empire of Japan and German nation participated in the negotiations and signed treaties that going forward paved the legal basis for reparations, status of forces, and multiple other issues. Neither treaty was dictated entirely by the winners. If it had been, signatures would not have been required.
Aside: Hamas has a lot of “serfs” willing to fight to the last man, while their chiefs live like Royalty in Qatar, Paris, and other 5-star locations.
How quickly Rimjob (and others) just dismiss the horrors of Oct. 7 by Hamas. Murders of over 1200 innocent civilians, babies beheaded, corpses defiled, women raped.
All unprovoked.
Now Rimjob acts like Netanyahu and the IDF are the bad guys here.
Fuck off, fat boy.
Islam is founded on the concept of spreading their religion by conquest and death. Religions are not static and continue to evolve through the years. But Islam is stuck in the Stone Age. We have been kind to these folks for the last 100 years despite their cruelty and message of death against innocent individuals. The only way that peace and security will be achieved is extermination of this cult.
Agreed. That’s why I want them in with communists and Nazis they all deserve extermination. They have shown historically that they will be the first to exterminate people if they gain power so the good guys have to learn to be as ruthless as they are if we are to survive.
And then we’ll start with that “it makes us no better than they are” shit because we’ll always be better than they are. The reason for that is they commit genocide because they liked her we committed to protect ourselves from having it done to us. It’s called self-defense and that’s always justifiable.
So Mr Brandon wants to exterminate imaginary communists and Nazis as well as extant Muslims!!! Could be a bloodbath!
Actually, Mr Brandon, you are exactly as bad as the communists and Nazis, but worse than Muslims.
Can you identify any American communists or Nazis that you would like to see exterminated? Sounds like a bloodbath!!
You DO understand the meaning of the word, exterminate, don’t you?
: to get rid of completely usually by killing off
Brandon,
Right on.
Jeff would be happy for the elimination of billions of carbon generators. Though that hypothesis is out now. But we do need to plan on how to confront these murders.
By the way, Russia did show us how to get answers from prisoners.
“Dr” Mal Practice has killed more Americans than have I (none).
Old Mal admires the way the Nazis and Russians handle dissidents. Torture and murder.
About 25% of people on Earth are Muslims. Calling for their extermination could be viewed as provocative. About 30% of people are Christians. But then
Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Putin, Japanese, Kims, Xi, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Genghis Khan, Hutu/Tutsis were not Muslim. That’s not to say Muslims are guilt free in the genocide sweepstakes, just that they are not alone. The WWI Armenian genocide by the Islamic Ottoman Empire was responsible for around a million dead. Russian expelled and murdered some 500,000 Chechnyan Muslims after WWII.
Sorry Professor but claiming Germany and Japan negotiated the terms of their surrender is not even close to being true.
Truman demanded and achieved “unconditional” surrender from both.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Instrument_of_Surrender
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Potsdam-Declaration
Perhaps you should read some history before making incorrect assumptions.