No, no, don’t you dare tell me this is a un-scientific doomsday cult
We’ve been accidentally cooling the planet — and it’s about to stop
It is widely accepted that humans have been heating up the planet for over a century by burning coal, oil and gas. Earth has already warmed by almost 1.2 degrees Celsius (2.2 degrees Fahrenheit) since preindustrial times, and the planet is poised to race past the hoped-for limit of 1.5 degrees Celsius of warming.
It’s so widely accepted that the majority of Warmists refuse to give up their own use of fossil fuels. How much does the Washington Post use daily? How about cult writer Shannon Osaka?
But fewer people know that burning fossil fuels doesn’t just cause global warming — it also causes global cooling. It is one of the great ironies of climate change that air pollution, which has killed tens of millions, has also curbed some of the worst effects of a warming planet.
Tiny particles from the combustion of coal, oil and gas can reflect sunlight and spur the formation of clouds, shading the planet from the sun’s rays. Since the 1980s, those particles have offset between 40 and 80 percent of the warming caused by greenhouse gases.
And now, as society cleans up pollution, that cooling effect is waning. New regulations have cut the amount of sulfur aerosols from global shipping traffic across the oceans; China, fighting its own air pollution problem, has slashed sulfur pollution dramatically in the last decade.
What this is really about is that as the air gets cleaner it exposes the lower atmosphere to the full effect of the Sun as the Earth goes through a typical Holocene warm period
The result is even warmer temperatures — but exactly how much warmer is still under debate. The answer will have lasting impacts on humanity’s ability to meet its climate goals.
One would think these super-scientists would have that answer before they go about with their scaremongering. But, they don’t know. And the actual science and facts are irrelevant to them, because cults do not need any of that.
A second Trump term could slow the shift from fossil fuels as climate threats grow
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Armed with such an agenda, a second Trump term could slow the country’s shift away from fossil fuels. But it probably won’t entirely halt the transition to renewable energy, industry analysts and researchers say. That’s because the costs for a lot of those technologies are falling fast, they say. Companies are seeing financial benefits in cutting emissions. And states led by Democrats and Republicans alike are reaping economic benefits from new factories and power plants.
Well, that sounds like it would be great for keeping the Earth cooler, right?
Would one of you Genius’ please tell me how you are going to provide the electricity necessary to power this country? Oh, batteries? How you gonna charge them, fossil fuel powered generators? Also, how are you going to re-charge an ocean liner when it stops in the middle of the ocean? I’ve got 2 dogs that know when to come in, out of the rain, and cower in the house when lightening and thunder start, get my drift? And how are those airliners gonna fly, on batteries they weigh so much?
Scottie CW4(Ret) Army helicopter maintenance test pilot
Scottie I guess you didn’t notice it but renewables now provide 20% of all electrical power in the USA and that is increasing by at least 1% each year.
And almost 6% of that is hydropower. Amazing what happens when one throws billions in subsidies at “renewables”-they tend to increase.
Johnny-I guess you didn’t notice but a recent McKinsey& Company survey found that almost half of EV buyers in the US and Australia want to go back to fossil fuel powered cars. I wonder why?
“renewables” is another scam.
“subsidized wildly expensive, completely inefficient, and environmentally catastrophic” is the phrase you left out.
Not to mention the mining for PV panels, batteries and electric motors and rare earths are an environmental and humanitarian disaster.
What renewables. They are worthless and very expensive without government help.
“It is widely accepted” that the Washington comPost is staffed with highly educated propagandists. For a healthy mind, pay no heed to anything from the comPost.
In other words, humans have a neutral affect on the Earth’s temperature and weather, like an anthill in the African veldt.
This can’t be the first you’ve heard of atmospheric particulates causing cooling.
Why do you think that volcanoes cause cooling?
The Earth is warming and the rate is increasing.
The earth is warming. So? Yes Jeff, I am sure you are aware of the fact the earth heats and cools. Now you will say it is faster than the past. So? You will sat CO2 is increasing, but it is known that heat comes first followed by CO2. Thus, no correlation. Then there is the one and only way to modify the climate, unilateral destruction of the Western economy. I prefer we let the world burn.
“It is widely accepted” that the Washington comPost is staffed by highly educated propagandists. For a healthy mind pay no heed to anything from the comPost.
Simple physics. Newton’s Third Law of Motion states for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If it’s warm somewhere on planet Earth, it’s going to be cooler somewhere else.
Hilarious satire!
Orlando eas NOT a physics major in college
Neither were you John, a physics major. Or did you even go to college. All we know is that you wasted time with Buddha as you didn’t learn any of the philosophy.
Mr Teach typed: as the air gets cleaner it exposes the lower atmosphere to the full effect of the Sun as the Earth goes through a typical Holocene warm period
A new hypothesis. How will you challenge it?
Maybe we should stop all that anti-smog, clean air, acid rain nonsense and block some of that sunlight!!!
Here in the Heartland it’s 102F this afternoon. Heat index 114F in mid-Missouri!
Chicken Little Karen Man
Here in the Heartland it’s 102F this afternoon. Heat index 114F in mid-Missouri!
So?? And your point is what?It gets hot in the summer?
Wow.
Guess what? It’s gonna get cold come winter.
And the great mean ole problem is???
You Lefies just want to invent a crisis and then claim you must take power to protect us dweebs.
Guess what Karen striker??? We have figured it out and say… Fuck Off!!!
i won’t be getting my scientific facts, data or opinion from the washington post
Chicken Little Karen Man
Here in the Heartland it’s 102F this afternoon. Heat index 114F in mid-Missouri!
So?? And your point is what?It gets hot in the summer?
Wow.
Guess what? It’s gonna get cold come winter.
And the great mean ole problem is??? The earth may get warmer? You know, like it did back in the 1100 or so time frame? Like when northern England had wine grape vines and Greenland was named… Greenland because it was.. GASP!…. GREEN. I guess the earth just forget to melt.
What idiots you are and even more so because you think the world will end. NOPE. You either are truly stupid or else you know better and are just inventing…
You Lefies just want to invent a crisis and then claim you must take power to protect us dweebs.
Guess what Karen striker??? We have figured it out and say… Fuck Off!!!
This has got to be the most idiotic piece of nonsense I’ve ever read. Where do they find these people? If they’ve got “editors” at WaPo, they’re still in grade school!
None of this massive hoax has a single thing to do with temperature.
It has do with control.
Once you see this truth, it all becomes clear.
It’s all about scaring the uninformed to instituting socialism.
A complete scam.
“A second Trump term could slow the shift from fossil fuels”. OK, OK, you’ve convinced me: I’ll vote for Mr Trump!
Only solution is de-population. You guys go first. Al Gore can lead all of you for a long walk into the ocean.
William Teach: What this is really about is that as the air gets cleaner it exposes the lower atmosphere to the full effect of the Sun as the Earth goes through a typical Holocene warm period
Waving at the Holocene is not a mechanism. Warming requires a source of energy. The Earth’s surface is warming while the upper atmosphere is cooling, consistent with an increase in the greenhouse effect, but not consistent with an increase in insolation.
beafrank: In other words, humans have a neutral affect on the Earth’s temperature and weather
That is incorrect. Even with cooling effect of anthropogenic aerosols, the Earth’s surface is warming while the upper atmosphere is cooling, consistent with an increase in the greenhouse effect.
david7134: You will sat CO2 is increasing, but it is known that heat comes first followed by CO2.
CO2 acts as both cause and effect. If the Earth is warmed—by whatever mechanism—the Earth’s oceans will hold less CO2, which increases the atmospheric concentration of CO2 amplifying the original warming impulse. So, if changes in Earth’s orbital dynamics results in warming, this warming will be amplified by CO2 released by the oceans, the CO2 lagging the initial warming impulse because it takes time to warm the oceans. (Inversely, when the Earth cools—by whatever mechanism.)
Orlandobass: Newton’s Third Law of Motion states for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If it’s warm somewhere on planet Earth, it’s going to be cooler somewhere else.
Temperature is not motion.
James Lewis: The earth may get warmer? You know, like it did back in the 1100 or so time frame?
“the rate and magnitude of modern warming are unusual relative to the changes of the past 24 thousand years.” See Osman et al., Globally resolved surface temperatures since the Last Glacial Maximum, Nature 2021.
Zach…
The issue isn’t the “warming.” It is the Left’s claim that we must destroy civilization to protect “the earth.” Which is a BS claim.
And the earth got cooler. What caused that?
And will it again?
As usual the KiddieZ post the same overwrought ChatGPT warmist screed.
STFU already. You’re (like Rimjob and johnnie boy) annoying the adults with your nonsense.
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If temperature is not motion then how can it go up and go down without moving?
Actually, there were much larger and faster temp changes earlier. For example “the dramatic DansgaardOeschger (DO events) were indeed genuine and also large scale climate changes, not limited to Greenland. Since then, these events have been further confirmed by data from more than 170 locations around the planet, including New Zealand and Antarctica” . Stefan Ramstorf
Jl,
Do you believe the current warming period is a DO event?
Z,
That is so much horse shit. No, you are not very intelligent and need to quit trying to get responses for your debate club. Try studying the science and understanding it .
Not much of a “refuttal” (new word invented by Big Donnie last week). He earlier said “refute” so he may have meant “refudiate” (new word invented by Sarah Palin years ago). Maybe “rebuttal”.
Anyway, new words get added to our language from time to time…
Big Donnie is not stupid or uneducated but he is showing signs of cognitive decline. And he’s been morally unfit for decades.
Rimjob (aka SMF) is the Alejandro Mayorkas of commenters here at The Cove.
Keeps repeating the same unbelievable lies over and over.
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James Lewis: The issue isn’t the “warming.” It is the Left’s claim that we must destroy civilization to protect “the earth.”
You can’t have a rational discussion of policy without addressing the strong scientific evidence for anthropogenic global warming. Certainly, we agree that any rational policy has to allow for robust economic growth to fuel the innovation and investment required.
James Lewis: And the earth got cooler. What caused that?
Most of the past million years of oscillating ice and ice-free ages has been due to changes in Earth’s orbital parameters, known as Milankovitch cycles, amplified by positive feedbacks from CO2 and albedo. Note that changes in CO2 will follow in time the impulse from an orbital change as it takes time for the oceans to absorb or lose heat. Also note that the orbital change alone cannot explain the amount of warming, but orbital change along with positive feedbacks from changes in greenhouse gases and albedo do fit the observation.
L.G.Brandon!, L.G.Brandon!: For example “the dramatic DansgaardOeschger (DO events) were indeed genuine and also large scale climate changes, not limited to Greenland.
During a Dansgaard-Oeschger event, the southern hemisphere is antiphase with the northern hemisphere. In other words, while the northern hemisphere warmed, the southern hemisphere cooled. Nor were all areas of the northern hemisphere warmed at the same time. There was a seesaw pattern due to changes in circulation patterns. The relevance is that the changes were to the distribution of heat *within* the climate system, not a warming of the entirety of Earth’s surface.
See, for instance, Rasmussen et al., North Atlantic warming during Dansgaard-Oeschger events synchronous with Antarctic warming and out-of-phase with Greenland climate, Scientific Reports 2016.
Oops. Should be attributed to Jl:
Jl: For example “the dramatic DansgaardOeschger (DO events) were indeed genuine and also large scale climate changes, not limited to Greenland
Didn’t see anything in Ramstorf’s DO article about “antiphase” between hemispheres. Anyway, it doesn’t change the fact that there’s been much more rapid climate change than now. Along the same lines-Alley, Overpeck, PierreHumbert..”large abrupt changes have repeatedly affected much or all the earth, reaching as much 10C change in ten years. We do not yet understand abrupt climate changes to predict them. The models used to project future climate change are not especially good at simulating the size, speed and extent of past changes, casting uncertainties on future changes.” National Academies Press
So when it’s summer (warmer) in the Northern Hemisphere it’s winter (colder) in the Southern Hemisphere and vice versa.
Thanks kiddieZ for clearing that up.
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Jl: Didn’t see anything in Ramstorf’s DO article about “antiphase” between hemispheres.
Rasmussen et al: “North Atlantic warming during Dansgaard-Oeschger events synchronous with Antarctic warming and out-of-phase with Greenland climate”; or “The D-O events in the northern and southern ice cores are furthermore out of phase or even in anti-phase.”
Jl: Anyway, it doesn’t change the fact that there’s been much more rapid climate change than now.
The original claim didn’t concern regional climates, but global mean temperatures, as in “the rate and magnitude of modern warming are unusual relative to the changes of the past 24 thousand years.” See Osman et al., Globally resolved surface temperatures since the Last Glacial Maximum, Nature 2021.
Abrupt climate change can affect large regions even the entire globe without a large change in global mean temperature. For instance, if the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) were to be disrupted, it would cause severe climate change over much of the globe but not necessarily a large change in global mean temperatures. The climate system would have the same amount of heat energy, but it would be distributed differently.
Jl: Alley, Overpeck, PierreHumbert..”<a ref="https://www.google.com/search?q="large+abrupt+changes+have+repeatedly+affected+much+or+all+the+earthlarge abrupt changes have repeatedly affected much or all the earth, reaching as much 10C change in ten years."
We can’t find that exact quote. Nor does the National Academies report indicate that the global mean temperature changed by 10°C in ten years.
However, this review paper includes the same three authors: Alley, R.B., J. Marotzke, W.D. Nordhaus, J.T. Overpeck, D.M. Peteet, R.A. Pielke, Jr., R.T. Pierrehumbert, P.B. Rhines, T.F. Stocker, L.D. Talley, and J.M. Wallace, 2003: Abrupt climate change. Science.
Alley et al. review abrupt climate change events that have occurred. Dansgaard-Oeschger events are associated with oscillations within the climate system and regional effects as the Earth transitions out of glacial periods. They do note it as a warning about anthropogenic global warming, though: “Thus, although the climate around the North Atlantic and in many other regions has been more stable during the warmer Holocene than during the ice age, additional, rapid global warming could serve to increase the likelihood of large, abrupt, persistent, and to some extent unpredictable, changes.”
Pedantic much, kiddieZ?
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The Lil Pissant found another new word he doesn’t understand!! They try so, so hard!! It’s cute.
pedantic (adj): narrowly, stodgily, and often ostentatiously learned
Mr Zachriel accurately relayed factual information, so it’s hardly surprising that The Lil Pissant, begging for relevance, ignores the truth, opting to put his ignorant belligerence on full display!
If they wanted to be as pedantic as I, they would’ve corrected Jl’s misspelling of Professor Rahmstorf’s name!! That’s being a pedant!!
Once again an incredible display of stupidity by Rimjob (aka SMF).
Kinda like the kiddieZzz and you.
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Has The Lil Pissant had a stroke? There’s a lot of that going around in MAGAville.
As I said, Mr Zachriel is absolutely NOT pedantic, but I am!! I admitted that by correcting Mr Jl’s misspelling of Rahmstorf. See?
I swear to Allah, your hatred has short-circuited your teensy tiny brain.
Crawl back in your hole. Homie don’t play dat!
Love it when you totally misinterpret what was written (and you do that often) then go on some jag because you were called out about it. Again.
You really are one dumb motherfucker.
Thanks again for proving it to everyone.
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So Mr Zachriel is “pedantic” for demonstrating expertise? I think you use the term as a general insult to those that know something you can’t be bothered to learn.
That’s quite an admission, not to mention a cowardly insult directed toward your good friend, Mr Jl.
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Funny-So in other words when people say “this rate is the fastest it’s ever been”, is totally false, as said earlier.
Jl: So in other words when people say “this rate is the fastest it’s ever been”, is totally false, as said earlier.
Quite the contrary. As already noted, “the rate and magnitude of modern warming are unusual relative to the changes of the past 24 thousand years.” See Osman et al., Globally resolved surface temperatures since the Last Glacial Maximum, Nature 2021. Dansgaard-Oeschger events are not excepted as, while they represent large changes regionally, they don’t represent a large change in global mean temperature because the changes are asynchronous across the globe.
Quite the contrary. Any warming we are having is not excessive. It is often seen in the past, usually before a sudden plunge into an ice age. And most definitely not associated with a trace gas.
david7134: Any warming we are having is not excessive. It is often seen in the past, usually before a sudden plunge into an ice age.
As already noted, “the rate and magnitude of modern warming are unusual relative to the changes of the past 24 thousand years.” See Osman et al., Globally resolved surface temperatures since the Last Glacial Maximum, Nature 2021.
More particularly, just waving in the general direction of “sudden plunge into an ice age” isn’t a mechanism and doesn’t account for the heat energy required to warm the Earth’s surface.
Sorry, “genuine and large scale climate changes…. found at over 170 locations worldwide”, and “large abrupt climate changes have repeatedly affected much or all of the earth, reaching as much as 10C in 10 years” is not regional and obviously 10 degrees in 10 years dwarfs what has happened now
Jl: “large abrupt climate changes have repeatedly affected much or all of the earth”
Still don’t see the exact quote. You might provide a link to the page of the report. But not matter. The quote itself doesn’t say what you think it does.
Again, if the changes are not synchronous, then the large changes (e.g. 10°C in Greenland) may not affect the global mean temperature. As already cited, even though the entire globe was affected the climatic warming event, while Greenland warmed significantly, other parts of the globe cooled. In other words: Yes, climate change everywhere. Warming everywhere, no. The event redistributed the existing heat energy. It didn’t create it. Multiple studies, including Osman 2021, show that the global mean temperature did not change as much as you suggest.
Osman, according to your quote, only goes back 24,000 years. The DO events go at least 45-55 thousand years or longer.
See Rahmstorf “Ocean circulation and climate during the last 120,000 years.” “DO events are not only large in amplitude, but also abrupt (30 years or less). Greenland ice cores in DO events start with rapid warming by 5-10C within decades, followed by slow cooling. Events are not local to Greenland; a comprehensive review of spacial coverage lists 183 sites, most which clearly show these events. Many Southern Hemisphere sites reveal a hemispheric see-saw effect (cooling while the north is warming).” So in other words these abrupt events occurred almost worldwide within decades, with the NH warming and the SH cooling. It’s still more (according to Rahmstorf) rapid NH warming and rapid SH cooling than the 1.5 degree or so we are experiencing now.
Jl: Osman, according to your quote, only goes back 24,000 years.
Which is the claim: “the rate and magnitude of modern warming are unusual relative to the changes of the past 24 thousand years.” See Osman et al., Globally resolved surface temperatures since the Last Glacial Maximum, Nature 2021.
Jl: Many Southern Hemisphere sites reveal a hemispheric see-saw effect (cooling while the north is warming).” So in other words these abrupt events occurred almost worldwide within decades, with the NH warming and the SH cooling.
That’s exactly right! It’s a seesaw. The claim at issue refers to global mean temperature, not regional temperature. If half the world is asynchronous with warming or cooling, then there is little to no change in global mean temperature (first order). There is no additional energy (again, first order) in the climate system. It’s just rearranged.
What Osman (2021) and anthropogenic global warming refer to is the global mean temperature, which is observed to be warming at an unusual rate and magnitude.
Dansgaard–Oeschger events occur during the transition into and out of glacial periods, typically due to variations in Earth’s orbit, that is, Milankovitch cycles. What your own mention of Dansgaard–Oeschger events shows is that sudden changes can occur in the climate system when it is pushed beyond certain mean temperature boundaries. For instance, Greenland melt sends fresh water into the North Atlantic slowing the North Atlantic Current. This causes Europe to cool, drying in the Amazon, and other knock-on effects. Notably, humans are warming the planet far faster than Milankovitch cycles do.
Those kiddieZ and their pedantry.
Or is it just ChatGPT?
Jl,
Do you believe the current increase in the mean surface temperature is a D-O event? It’s an interesting hypothesis.
Not sure, though the earlier events were characterized by 10 degrees in ten years, and this is 1.5 degrees in a much longer time frame.
“DO events..typically due to variations in earth’s orbit”. Nope-Ramstorf “the mechanisms of abrupt climate change are not sufficiently understood.” And from the National Academies Press book “we do not yet understand abrupt climate changes”. The quote “large abrupt climate changes have affected much or all of the earth, reaching as much as 10C in ten years” is from the book “Abrupt Climate Changes, Inevitable Surprises” by Alley, Overpeck, et al. From the book: “Modern climate changes include abrupt changes that are smaller and briefer than in paleo-climate records”. So again, what’s happening now is smaller and briefer than earlier. The phrase “large abrupt climate changes affected much or all of the earth, reaching as much as 10C in ten years” leaves no doubt as to the scope and the rate of change. These authors make no mention of the different “see-saw” hemispheric events, though they no doubt happened during some of the DO events.