It still simply amazes me that anyone elected to the US Congress can be so foolish and whiny. Congress Critters are, for the most part, folks who had a good education, and made a bit of money before running for Congress. Yet, the leading speakers for the Dem party are complete whiners.
How do I define a whiner? It is someone who complains, but cannot offer any viable alternative. Which leads to Nancy Pelosi
WASHINGTON, Dec. 18 /U.S. Newswire/ — House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement tonight in response to President Bush’s speech on Iraq:
"Tonight the President acknowledged more of the mistakes he has made in Iraq, but he still does not get it. Iraq did not present an imminent threat to the security of the United States before he began his war of choice. The President’s speech tonight was further evidence that after almost three years, he still does not understand that crucial fact.
"President Bush persists in pursuing a flawed policy that has not made the American people safer nor made the Middle East more secure. It is time for a new direction in Iraq — not more of the same."
And your alternative, Nance, would be…….?
And, I dare you, I triple dog dare you, or anyone else, to show me where W said that Iraq was an imminent threat. I can show you where Jay Rockefeller and John Edwards said it.
Anyhow, Nance, plan? This monkey’s for you
Why should dems give you any help…repugs have systematically denied every suggestion that dems have had.(including ones about accountability)..now you can’t figure out how to get out of the briar patch and are looking for help.
We will wait until you have turned everybody in the world against us then step up to the plate and clean up your mess once again!
Boy for people who hate Clinton, you sure take his approach to being literal. Bush himself may not have used the words “imminent threat”, probably because he can’t pronounce “imminent”, but Ari Fleisher and Scott McClellan sure did. And Bush said that Iraq was a threat numerous times. Look at http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=24970 for multiple examples. But of course since you are all Clintonians underneath your pirate garb, you will stick to the “what is is” argument.
“And your alternative, Nance, would be…….?”
To enlist the 101st fighting Keyboarders?
They may not be the most effective combat types but the world sure as hell would be a lot quieter.
Whiner = anyone who doesn’t agree with you.
You know you’re a right-wing mindless drone when you make the ‘wine drinker’ attack. Wine and Fromage – now, wealthy republicans never order such things, right?
Of course they do, but it doesn’t fit the propaganda attack, like calling Germans ‘Krauts’ in WWII – it doesn’t matter that eating Sauerkraut isn’t, rationally, such a bad thing – it just serves for propaganda to hate.
As for imminent threat – of course he argued that Iraq was an imminent threat, by saying we could not wait for Hans Blix to finish his inspections in a few months, and speaking of our first proof, if we did, being a ‘mushroom cloud’.
He and his appointees led the charge to make it politically untenable for anyone to challenge the ‘certain’ threat – and then try, now, to claim it’s not their fault that the democrats believed them on the facts.
They even lied that the democrats had access to the same intelligence – right, of course the democrats were equally responsible for putting people in positions who would make sure the right conclusions were stated.
And they say they’re the party of taking responsibility?
Give us back the democrats, who at least have far more honest, and generally publically supporting, motives for their policies over these whores of the military industrial complex who have no problem with the lives spent in pursuit of power.
Bush and/or his people claimed that Iraq had an airplane that was capable of delivering a nuclear bomb to the US. The proposition was preposterous on its face – you would need a specially-outfitted 777 to have that sort of range, and there is no way that an airplane of that size could ever slip into US airspace undetected. Regardless, we were told that they had the airplane and were very close to having the bomb, so the 2+2 conclusion we were supposed to draw from those 2 lies was that Iraq was ready and able to nuke the US at will.
But why bother writing this? If you still believe anything the administration tells you at this point, you clearly have a strong aversion for facts. I guess it’s better to just try to slime Dems as wine-and-cheese Frenchies.
“To enlist the 101st fighting Keyboarders?”
Zen_less, you rock!!! I’m going to steal your line, if you don’t mind. So funny and oh so accurate. By reading all the ‘brave’ right-wing posts here, you would think that PC’s can castrate… Or at least confuse some as to where the Army Enlistment offices are.
I’m still waiting for one of these cowards here to link me to somewhere a Democrat said we should INVADE, DESTROY and OCCUPY Iraq… Clearly with all the knowledge and non-military time on their hands, such links would be made available.
I’m still waiting.
with much regard to you Zen, Lars Gruber
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A couple points
1. I do not hate Clinton. I voted for him in 1996, and, matter of fact, voted for Gore in 2000. In hindsight of years, I disrespect much of what he did as President, however, any condemnation of Slick is muted by the fact that 20/20 hindsight is perfect. I saw what I saw at the time.
2. Pelosi is welcome to disagree with me, the GOP, and Bush. But, without any alternatives offered, then she is just whining. That is acceptable (barely) from a grocery store register user, not for a member of the US Congress. If you feel that that is acceptable behavior, then you have illustrated WHY the Dem party keeps losing.
Of course Nancy’s got a plan: keep pounding people with the message that the war is a lost cause until it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. The result will be a total disaster, which Dems in the media will hang around the necks of Republicans.
Dems just need to have someone more optimistic and personable, like Ahnold, who suggests the chocolate-makers can shove it.
And the ring is in the mail.
It may be a while before the Dems can again produce a leader who can even step up to the plate to clean up Dean and Pelosi’s mess.
Sheesh! That first bunch of comments reads like a gang-rape! Where on earth did all those people come from? None of them linked back to their own blogs. I agree with you about the whining. I haven’t heard any constructive ideas either.
Surrender? How can we lose when Junior already declared victory? The Battle for Iraq ended long ago, and America and her allies were victorious, remember? Sure the War on Terror is never-ending, (as intended) but Iraq was finished ages ago, so I guess we can walk out as soon as the soldiers stop jogging victory laps around the last throes.
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