No, really
Brrrr! 10 degrees BELOW the norm on Wed in Raleigh during the day, and 11 at night, per WRAL. And we are having the same weather today, and for the next few. We will be well below the norm until Monday. Kinda makes that wopping 1 degree hotter, per the IPCC report, sound like the BS it is.
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Teach, 11 of the 12 warmest years on record have occurred in the past 12 years. That seems a little more persuasive then a few days of below average temperatures in Raleigh. Stay warm :-)
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Print_FAQs.pdf
Silke, get your head out of your a**. The dhimmi’s tried to make the past few years the hottest on record until someone found the lying professor at NASA had a built in fault in his program (probably on purpose). The hotest years went back the the 30’s from hence they came in the wet dreams of the liberal idiots. Are you one of Algorbage’s retarded relatives?
Teach, while it is true that earlier this year Steve McIntyre pointed out a flaw in the temperature analysis of North American stations by NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, this was quickly corrected. It doesn’t change anything about my statement above. You can see the numbers for yourself here: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.D.txt
Despite the correction, the longer term US averages have not changed rank. 2002-2006 (at 0.66 ºC) is still warmer than 1930-1934 (0.63 ºC – the largest value in the early part of the century) (though both are below 1998-2002 at 0.79 ºC).
If you are interested, there is an excellent discussion about this issue here:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/08/1934-and-all-that/
Still pushing the IPCC thing, eh? Despite its hysterical tone, the 30’s was still warmer.
Face it: this whole climate change issue is bunk, pushed for political purposes. 10-20 years from now, the media and the pundits will be pushing global cooling. Just like they have done several times in the past 150 years, just like they pushed global warming.
If global warming is so real, why did they have to push to change the name to “climate change?” Why are the people who espouse the doctrine failing to live the life they say everyone should? Why do they have to overdo the rhetoric? Why do they have to use false facts?
Teach said: Still pushing the IPCC thing, eh? Despite its hysterical tone, the 30’s was still warmer.
Teach, you are referring to U.S. surface air temperature anomalies, not global average temperatures. Big difference. Again, 11 of the 12 warmest years globally have occurred in the past 12 years.
Teach said: If global warming is so real, why did they have to push to change the name to “climate change?”
I don’t know. Maybe from a scientific perspective it is better to use a broader term. The fact that global temperatures are rising is only one aspect of climate change. Other aspects could include the amount and timing of precipitation, the alteration of atmospheric and ocean circulations, etc.
Teach said: Why are the people who espouse the doctrine failing to live the life they say everyone should?
This is such a broad statement it’s very hard to answer (talk about “overdoing the rhetoricâ€). I don’t know of any scientists who are telling people to stop driving their cars or taking commercial airliners today. If you are referring to private jets – I can see your point. But I think you are assuming that most of these scientists are using private jets, which I doubt is true – though I don’t know for sure. But this doesn’t change any of the facts behind the science of climate change.
Teach said: Why do they have to overdo the rhetoric? Why do they have to use false facts?
I agree it’s bad when someone overstates their case but I don’t think the IPCC has done that.
Actually 4 of the hottest years in the past 100 years were in the 30’s. Like the other silky all of your arguments have been trashed by the same people you are using as experts.
Don’t run for the South. It’s been in the 20-30 at night and 40-50 in the bright sunshine. From the sound of my heat pump clicking the dollars off I could use some global warming.
When someone can tell me what the temperature in North America was in 2000 BC then I will take the climate hysteria seriously.
There have only been weather records kept for a 100 years, right? I’m no expert by any means. But I’d be willing to bet there have been cycles of warmer and colder periods over the millenniums.
I wasn’t here then, so I’m just guessing.
BTW – you’ll have to go a lot further south than here (Georgia) – its been COLD – below freezing the last several nights! BRRRR
BTW – I was sorry to read about your site getting hacked. That’s TERRIBLE!!!
Scrapiron said: Actually 4 of the hottest years in the past 100 years were in the 30’s.
True, but again this is referring to U.S. surface air temperature – not global temperatures (which is the statistic I quoted). That is very different.
Beth said: But I’d be willing to bet there have been cycles of warmer and colder periods over the millenniums.
That is true, but the question is do scientists know what caused those warming and cooling periods in the past and whether this current trend is unusual compared to earlier changes in Earth’s history. According to the scientists from the IPCC the answer to both those questions is yes.
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Print_Ch06.pdf
You’re right, Beth, there have been plenty of climatic cycles, including a long term cooler period and a long term warmer period, during times when there were no SUVs. The Little Ice Age has some highly negative effects on the human population, too.
Thanks regarding the hack attack. It sucked. Fortunately, was easy to fix after about 15 min of freak out :)
Hey, Silke, why does the temperature rise BEFORE CO2 does?
Teach said: Hey, Silke, why does the temperature rise BEFORE CO2 does?
Well at least you’re asking a new question (and it’s a good one) instead of asking the same ones that have been answered before.
First of all, that has not always been the case. But in the few cases where it has, it is because CO2 also has a feedback effect. In other words in the cases where CO2 did not initiate the warming (i.e. because of orbital variations of the Earth around the Sun), it acted as an amplifier. But that does not mean that CO2 does not effect temperature. There is an excellent and more in-depth discussion of this here: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/04/the-lag-between-temp-and-co2/
I hope you read it because it’s an important and often misunderstood point.
Ah, so things change up, meaning there is no real substance or consistency in the measuring.
Face it, it is all a bunch of hooey, and you, like so many others, have bought in to it hook, line, and sinker, and 20 years from now, you will buy in to the global cooling craze. Just like people have been doing for 150 years.
I guess you didn’t read it. Either that or you don’t understand it.
Why is it that every time I provide answers backed up with sources you can study for yourself you come back with opinions and unsupported assertions?