Shouldn’t getting back to normal be up to the Citizens of this nation, since elected politicians and our government supposed to be subservient to We The People? Except in some cases, like criminality and law, and others where the Constitution has given them specific power to do certain thing
Joe Biden: We Need Up to 98% Vaccination Rate Before We Go Back to Normal
President Joe Biden said Monday he wanted to get up to 98 percent of Americans vaccinated before the country could go back to normal.
The president was asked by reporters at the White House about what the vaccination rate had to be before the country could return to normal.
“Look, I think we get the vast majority — like is going on in so many – some industries and some schools — 96, 97, 98 percent,†Biden said.
Biden commented after getting and promoting a third coronavirus vaccine “booster†shot from Pfizer in front of the media.
The president noted approvingly that over 77 percent of adults had gotten at least one shot of the vaccine.
That’s a big jump from what everyone was saying before, is it not? Why should any of us not go back to normal if we want to? Those who are vaccinated mostly got the shot to protect ourselves. That’s the point of a vaccine. People take the flu shot not to protect their families, their friends, their coworkers, the people at the places they visit: they take it to hopefully avoid getting flu. Kids are given the smallpox regimen of shots so that they do not get smallpox, not so that they don’t spread it to others. The disease has essentially been eradicated, because the vaccine stops smallpox. If people do not want to get the COVID shots, that’s on them. They can take their chance. And, yes, I do know people who had the shot and got COVID. One coworker is out right now like that.
But, 96-98%? Is this a matter of Joe just speaking Idiot as he so often does, causing his White House handlers to cringe? Or, did Biden let the cat out of the bag on where his admin is going? Because getting that percent is going to be a big, big, stretch, and would mean that Democrats are going to try and keep the authoritarianism going.
Only 45% of Americans Trust Joe Biden to Provide Accurate Coronavirus Information
Only 45 percent of Americans trust President Joe Biden to provide accurate Chinese coronavirus information, according to a Tuesday poll by Axios/Ipsos.
Fifty-three percent of respondents said they have little or no trust in Biden to provide accurate coronavirus information.
The numbers are a reversal from January, when 58 percent trusted Biden on coronavirus and 42 percent did not. Biden has also dropped 11 points among Democrats, and 17 points with independents. Republicans have dropped 10 points.
Americans are also trusting the media less about coronavirus. Only 45 percent trust establishment news networks. Forty-one percent trust establishment national newspapers, and 34 percent trust establishment cable news.
And from that “said” link
The big picture:Â Americans have become a bit less worried about living their lives. The respondents who see large risk in airline travel, dining out or visiting family and friends are at their lowest shares since mid-July.
But, in fairness, that leads to a deeper dive
Parents with children aged 5-11 are split on whether they will vaccinate their kids when eligible. 44% say they are likely to do so, while 42% are unlikely. This poll was conducted in the immediate days following the announcement that the vaccine works for children in this age group.
This should be up to the parents, but, you know government schools will soon start mandating it
Just over one in ten believe attending in-person gatherings with friends and family (13%) or dining in at a restaurant (12%) poses a large risk to their health, a decrease of five percentage points from two weeks ago when 18% and 17%, respectively, saw these activities as very risky.
Hence, people are living their lives, and government can bugger off. I’ll make my own decisions. Judas Priest recently played in Raleigh, and I really, really wanted to see them again. I first saw them at Live Aid, and have seen them 3 times since. But, I do not really like giant crowds in the first place, and certainly not when COVID is still prevalent, even if everyone is supposed to be vaccinated or got a negative test, and everyone is supposed to wear a mask. I still keep my distance from people I do not know. Customers like creeping up, and I step back. That’s my choice. Not Biden’s.
Well, I guess that we’ll need that, considering that Hahvahd Business School just had to go virtual for some classes due to an outbreak of COVID among a population with 95% of students and 96% of the staff vaccinated, and which had an indoor mask mandate in place.
Joe Biden does not want you to be August Landmesser!
Dana: Joe Biden does not want you to be August Landmesser!
Oh gee whiz. Nazis exterminated millions because of their ethnicity or sexual orientation. Joe Biden wants you to get vaccinated to protect yourself, your family, and your community.
William Teach: Kids are given the smallpox regimen of shots so that they do not get smallpox, not so that they don’t spread it to others.
Community protection has always been part of the medical community’s concerns.
William Teach: The disease has essentially been eradicated, because the vaccine stops smallpox.
The smallpox vaccine is about 95% effective. As long as the virus circulated, even someone who was vaccinated was at risk. But when vaccination became ubiquitous, then the virus died out.
William Teach: But, 96-98%?
Measles vaccination rates are about 94% in the U.S. That had resulted in a few scattered outbreaks.
William Teach: This should be up to the parents, but, you know government schools will soon start mandating it
Which they already do for an array of other diseases, including measles.
Dana: Hahvahd (sic) Business School just had to go virtual for some classes due to an outbreak of COVID among a population with 95% of students and 96% of the staff vaccinated
Also from Mr Dana’s citations:
Taking a cue from Mr gitarcarver who is committed to noting distinctions without a difference, it’s more likely that the highlighted shipyard worker was Gustav Wegert, who actually worked at the Blohm und Voss shipyard in Hamburg. I will not call Mr Dana a liar over this as Mr gitarcarver routinely does.
The actual relevant question is what does Mr Dana believe the relevance of this Nazi photograph is to President Biden? Does he really believe the scientists, health professionals, epidemiologists, virologists, Democrats, corporations, universities, major religions are somehow comparable to the Nazi regime? Is a vaccine mandate equivalent to Nazi atrocities?
Herr Landmesser was certainly punished, and imprisoned for violation of the Nuremburg laws.
There are claims that it was not Herr Landmesser, but Gustav Wegert, but who can know at this point?
But, whomever it actually was, the point is simple: Herr Biden wants universal compliance, and has put in place actions to penalize, through the loss of their jobs, the August Landmessers among us.
Contact tracers cannot, of course, determine who passed the virus from one person to another; they take assumptions that help their political cause.
So, Hahvahd wants to return HBS students to the ‘golden days’ of the lockdown, to the times whan wannabe dictators banned gatherings, even among families, of more than 8 or 10 people, from more than two households, even among a population with a 95% vaccination rate.
It’s obvious: not only are vaccinated people contracting the virus, but they are spreading it as well.
Several European monarchs started philosophical discussion of “benevolent” autocracy, in which the King was an absolute ruler, but was committed to the good of his people. That was hardly new; in his Republic, Plato held that the philosophers, being the wisest and best educated, should have, in concert, autocratic authority over the nation, because they knew best what was for the best, and that soldiers should be the next caste of society, to enforce the rule of the philosopher-kings.
And now, here you come, telling us that despotic rule by Joe Biden is perfectly acceptable, because he only wants what’s good for us.
Comparable to the Nazi regime? Der Führer was immensely popular before the war started, as, under his regime, the economy soared, unemployment fell, the military was greatly strengthened, the ‘injustices’ of the Treaty of Versailles reversed, and everyone who wasn’t Jewish or homosexual or some other minority was pretty well pleased. Liberty is something we have taken for granted; President Biden is making us realize that we need to keep fighting to preserve it.
Dana: And now, here you come, telling us that despotic rule by Joe Biden is perfectly acceptable, because he only wants what’s good for us.
The power of the government during pandemics is deeply established in both common law and statutory law, and is subject to legislative and judicial overview. Nor was Hitler a benevolent dictator, but led his country and all of Europe into ruin.
Mr Z wrote:
And that power had been chipped away in recent years, beginning with Griswold v Connecticut, which recognized our right to privacy. It needs to be completely abolished.
That’s not how the Germans saw it, between 1933 and 1942, when, all of a sudden, he began to lose. Germany made a strong, stronger than the US or UK, recovery from the Depression, and yes, it came at the cost of workers’ rights, but workers’ rights were less important for men who had no jobs. No one was prouder than the German people when they remilitarized the Rhineland, had the Anschluss with Austria, and saw their Führer force England and France to back down and Germany annexed part of Czechoslovakia.
You are looking at it through hindsight, but President Biden trying to take away our rights is what’s happening now, at the point Der Führer was wildly popular in Germany.
Perhaps you ought to look at some of the other proposals that the Administration would like to see passed. They want banks to report every transaction of $600 or more . . . which would mean that the government would be notified every time you made your mortgage or rent payment, for some people their car payments, or spent money on home improvement.
The left are trying to sneak in a mileage tax, but that could only work if the government was able to track your car everyplace it was driven.
If these proposals had been made under President Trump, the left would be appalled. Now? Not so much!
Dana: It needs to be completely abolished.
Seriously? You think someone should just be able to go into a crowded public square while contagious with smallpox, and that society has no say in the matter? That’s just not tenable.
Dana: That’s not how the Germans saw it, between 1933 and 1942, when, all of a sudden, he began to lose.
Nothing like breaking treaties, wars of aggression, and genocide. Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?
Dana: They want banks to report every transaction of $600 or more
That’s not accurate. We’ll let you check that one out yourself. You can do it!
Did you know your employer give the IRS the sum of all your compensation for the year?
That’s not accurate. We’ll let you check that one out yourself. You can do it!
No, it’s worse.
The proposal is that banks report inflow and out flow of accounts that in the aggregate for either in or out total more than $600.
So if you have a household account and spend $50 a month out of it, the IRS will get to know that – even if the account is not taxable.
This means that the banks and the IRS will not be monitoring transactions of $600, but rather transactions in their total in or out of an account total more than $600.
The fact of the matter is that the IRS and the Biden administration is demanding the banks act as government agents without warrants or any hint of impropriety.
Most people see the problem with you.
You obviously do not.
Businesses underreport $166 billion in income each year. The shortfall in taxes ends up being made up by working class Americans.
Jeff,
The ones harmed will be small guys, like barbers and waiters. There is zero reason that government needs any more information.
duke: The ones harmed will be small guys, like barbers and waiters
Are you claiming that “small guys, like barbers and waiters” are the main tax cheats? I doubt that they are.
gitarcarver: The proposal is that banks report inflow and out flow of accounts that in the aggregate for either in or out total more than $600.
That’s right! It’s only the aggregate that is reported, not “every transaction” as you had said.
Did you know that your employer reports the aggregate of all your compensation for the year?
Mr Z wrote:
Again, you are looking at it from hindsight, and an outside perspective, and not seeing things the way the German public did at the time. You need to try to gain that perspective, because that’s what the Biden Administration wants to do to us, right now!
Dana: Again, you are looking at it from hindsight, and an outside perspective, and not seeing things the way the German public did at the time.
The Germans were aggrieved and Hitler vilified those he claimed were the source of their aggrievement. That led to Nazi Germany starting wars of aggression and mass murder. That is not the same as vaccine mandates used to minimize the loss of life during a pandemic.
And no.
The aggregate will trigger the reporting. The head of the IRS in a hearing said that it is possible that they will look at individual transactions once the trigger has been met.
When asked what the individual amounts of examination would be (ie would the IRS want to know a purchase of a pack of gum?) the head would not answer.
Furthermore, as you have always stated, the IRS could make a rule once this odious bill is passed that they could look at every transaction.
So as I said and you misread, the aggregate triggers the bank reporting and the IRS may look at individual transactions if need be.
And your point?
The government knows how much a person is being compensated.
Why then does the government want or more importantly need to know how the money that a person earned is spent?
What is the compelling governmental interest into the private, legal finances of an individual spending habits?
The Administration’s own rationale doesn’t hold water as they are saying they want to get unpaid business taxes. “Unpaid business taxes” have nothing to do with the spending habits of individuals. Lacking a compelling reason, the law / rule fails on 4th Amendment grounds.
(Not that the left ever cares about the Constitution, mind you.)
This is another attempt by the government to intrude into the life of private citizens without a compelling interest. After all, this Administration revived the odious “asset forfeiture” on accounts without a trial, a hearing or any evidence.
You’re okay with this which says more about you than anything.
gitarcarver: The head of the IRS in a hearing said that it is possible that they will look at individual transactions once the trigger has been met.
That’s already the case. It’s called an audit.
Another fail by you.
First you claimed that the IRS would not look at individual spending and now you acknowledge that they can and will.
Secondly, the Biden administration (and you and others here) have claimed that the need for the onerous banking regulations are so businesses pay their taxes.
Individual spending habits have nothing to do with business taxes, of course, but that point seems to escape you.
It is clear that you are falling into the “the government must know everything you do” and that “people cannot spend their own money without government oversight” crowd. You also support the exponential increase in costs without any benefits to anyone other than the government. (Other than growth in the government, of course.)
It is amazing how much the left hates freedom from government intervention in people’s lives and freedom in general.
Then again, all the left has is hate.
gitarcarver: First you claimed that the IRS would not look at individual spending and now you acknowledge that they can and will.
Uh, no. Your claim was that “Perhaps you ought to look at some of the other proposals that the Administration would like to see passed. They want banks to report every transaction of $600 or more” That claim was false.
gitarcarver: It is clear that you are falling into the “the government must know everything you do†and that “people cannot spend their own money without government oversight†crowd.
Actually, we didn’t express an opinion on the proposal. We just pointed out that your characterization of the proposal was false.
Uh no.
You tried to make the claim that I said that before and when I pointed out that I hadn’t, you ignored it. Now you are making the same false claim knowing that it is a lie.
Uh, no.
You have defended the proposal in this entire thread instead of condemning it.
On September 30, 2021 at 6:45 am, you wrote:
(Following your accusation, I told you I have never said what you claimed.)
So you agree with what I said and now claim that my characterization was “wrong” somehow.
You are caught in another lie.
Adults would admit their mistake, but you won’t. You will still try and brace up your false claims and support of the government looking at people’s spending without cause or reason.
As I said, the left hates freedom and wants the government to have their eyes on everything, even in violation of the Constitution that the left hates so much.
Then again, all the left has is hate.
gitarcarver: You tried to make the claim that I said that before
Oops. Sorry. That was Dana who made that false statement.
gitarcarver: The head of the IRS in a hearing said that it is possible that they will look at individual transactions once the trigger has been met.
That’s already the case. It’s called an audit.
Then again, all the insecure and paranoid gitarcarver has is hate.
From Yahoo fact check which itself may or may not be correct since they have a 47% failure rate.
“The latest IRS estimates show a tax gap of $166 billion per year between the tax owed by businesses (not counting large corporations) and the tax actually paid. The document says requiring comprehensive reporting on money flowing in and out of accounts “will enhance the effectiveness of IRS enforcement measures and encourage voluntary compliance.”
To achieve that, the Treasury proposed requiring financial institutions to annually report the total amount of money that went in and out of bank, loan and investment accounts if those accounts hold a value of at least $600, or if the total is at least $600 in a year.”
So basically it takes only ONE $600 transaction for IRS reporting.
Yes, we all know employers report our annual income to the IRS, it’s called a W-2, Wage and Tax Statement. Many of us actually run businesses for a living. Now, what has that got to do with banks leaking personal deposit and withdrawal information?
Kye: Yes, we all know employers report our annual income to the IRS, it’s called a W-2, Wage and Tax Statement. Many of us actually run businesses for a living. Now, what has that got to do with banks leaking personal deposit and withdrawal information?
You do know that your income is “personal” information?
What this really is is an attack on the cash economy.
Here in the wilds of eastern Kentucky, if you want, say, a fence installed, and a fence company gives you an estimate, if you say, “Is there a discount for cash?” the company will probably respond, “Yes, we can give you 10% off for cash.”
Now, I can’t know how a company that offered a discount for cash does things, but I might guess that it:
1 – Doesn’t report the sale to the state, and avoids the 6% sales tax;
2 – Pays it’s workers in cash, avoiding taxes for the company and the workers; and
3 – Avoids problems with bounced checks.
With a lot of poor people around here, it’s a real deal. The customers get a break on the price, the workers being paid $10.00 an hour actually get $10.00 an hour, and the company’s expenses are reduced, so everybody wins.
Everybody but the government, of course.
But nuCons also don’t believe in taxing the wealthy! A more equitable arrangement may be to tax the wealthy who benefit most from living and enriching themselves here, and REDUCING the overall burden on the working stiffs.
NuCons want government so small they can drown it in the bathtub (h/t to G Norquist), but the bulk of our fed taxes pay for defense, SS, healthcare and interest.
National defense, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, roads, bridges, interest on the burgeoning debt, police, fire protection, courts, sewers, ports, airports etc still have to be paid for.
The new proposal is not to catch barbers and servers but to stop shysters from having hundreds of small accounts to avoid detection and taxes.
Dana: With a lot of poor people around here, it’s a real deal.
Sure, but the wilds of Kentucky is not known for its economic prosperity. Generally, those that avoid taxes also avoid proper accounting for money, which is a foundation for building wealth. They think they make $100,000 a year, and spend accordingly, but only make $15,000 net and go into debt. It’s not a sustainable model for economic development.
It’s doubtful the new law will impact most of those folks, though.
Elwood: This from your own citation of September 29, 2021 at 8:58 pm
“The aim is to target businesses outside of large corporations that carry out gross underreporting of their income in the amount of $166 billion per year.”
Then you snidely ask: “Are you claiming that “small guys, like barbers and waiters†are the main tax cheats? I doubt that they are”
First, have you ever known a waiter who claimed all his income? I haven’t and I know a lot more waiters than you do. Second If they’re “businesses outside of large corporations” it means they are targeting pizza shops, barbers, salons, dry cleaners, bars, car repairs, restaurants etc. You know, the left’s usual targets: Small and medium businesspeople. They hate the idea of little guys making money and they will teach them a lesson. But first, lets put them out of business with silly lockdowns and fake “vaccine” mandates.
Everything the demofascist party has done since March 2020 has been aimed at breaking the working man. Closing 100’s of thousands of businesses ( about 40% gone forever), unemploying tens of millions of workers with millions still on the dole), importing 2 million “refugees” to live off American largess while they fill our nation with disease, poverty, crime, drugs and people who actually hate us more than democrats do. Now mandating fake “vaccines” and terminating employment, health care and UE for those filthy non-compliers.
It’s really quite simple. The biden régime has officially declared war on the Citizens of the US who refuse to comply with their mandates.
I don’t know what the left is waiting for. Just round up these 21st century Juden dogs and be done with it. That’s what the 85,000 new IRS employees are for in the new “FREE” $5.6 trillion bill. First you identify anyone without a (D) on their voter registration. Then you “forfeit” their bank accounts, investments, IRA’s and property. Then once they’re in poverty refuse them health care and deny the unemployment compensation they already paid for. THEY WILL COMPLY! Treat those fukin Trump supporters and “vaxx deniers” the same way a Nazi would treat a Jew or a communist would treat a Kulak.
The Most Reverend Hoagie, Bishop of Sandwiches, wrote:
Well, I got a long overdue haircut yesterday, and I paid the barber in cash. I’ve never seen a debit card machine in his shop, and there’s no sticker on the door, so I assume it’s a cash only business. The haircut was long overdue in part because I rarely have cash on hand.
Does my barber report every penny he receives? I have no way of knowing, but with his sign, “Haircut: $10”, and most people tipping barbers, it would be easy enough for him to put the $10.00 in the register, and the $5.00 tip in his pocket. I neither know nor care what he does.
The distinguished Mr Dowd, well-to-do as he is, ought still to know that there are rural areas in his home state with a lot of poor people.
The esteemed Mr Dowd, the wealthy man he is, neighbors on the gated community with the McCloskeys, really has no flaming idea how the economy works for poorer people. Like the Hirsute One, who tells us that, over the long haul, an electric vehicle is less expensive to own and operate, without considering that most people would have to finance, and pay interest on, the higher price.
I’m not poor now, but I grew up poor. My wife isn’t poor now, but part of her childhood was spent on a farm with an outhouse, not an indoor toilet, and with no real heat on the second floor, where the bedrooms were. If Mr Dowd or the Hirsute One grew up poor, they don’t seem to remember much about that, but I haven’t forgotten.
I’ve been dirt poor and rich enough, and rich is better.
Why nuCons push for tax cuts for the rich I’ll never understand.
It’s the liberals who want to lessen the burdens on the working class in terms of taxes and better services. NuCons seem to think since they “made it” with “no help” that others should to, but while ignoring it’s a different world today.
I have actually met Kye, at a restaurant in Hatboro, Pennsylvania, sometime around 2008, and I can remember one thing he said:
What the leftists here don’t understand is that, as a small businessman, Kye succeeded in business, but he also failed in businesses, too; the restaurant business is like that. I’ve seen too many small restaurants in Jim Thorpe that were open for a year, and then the next year, someone else was in that building. One particular building, on Broadway in that tourist-trap town, had a different restaurant every single year. Our favorites, Flow — which, literally, had a river running through it — and the Black Bread Cafe, lasted a few years, but they were closed before we moved away. Mr Dowd sees Kye as what he is today, a retired man who has money, but there was a time in which he had bills to pay that he couldn’t pay.
Kye writes like he does because he has experienced what he has.